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Arizonas asking price on Jakob Chychrun according to Brent Wallace

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 16, 2022
Published: Aug. 16, 2022
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What Arizona's asking price is and what we should be willing to pay are two different things.


Keep that in mind please :)
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I’m told the sens remain in pursuit of Jacob Chychrun. There have been talks this week. The ask remains two 1st round picks and a high end prospect plus Arizona would also take Zaitsev.


Brent Wallace via twitter


https://twitter.com/Freeagentwally/status/1559617691136270340



Also, I recommend listening to the Wally and Methot show with Brent Wallace and Marc Methot.


It's a podcast dedicated exclusively to the Ottawa Senators and it's on YouTube.


It's great stuff :)
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 5:55 p.m.
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RIP poorspects. would feel bad for him.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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Bill Armstrong wants a quality roster player and prospect and a 1st round pick.

Sorry i don't consider Zaitsev a quality roster player.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:00 p.m.
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Bill Armstrong wants a quality roster player and prospect and a 1st round pick.

Sorry i don't consider Zaitsev a quality roster player.


Nah the latest report said 2 1sts and a young prospect . Just like the Jones trade
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.
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Nah the latest report said 2 1sts and a young prospect . Just like the Jones trade


Jones still had one year left, Plus was a sign and trade for 9 years total. No way does Chychrun remotely have that kind of value.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.
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I don't understand why they don't just call LA and get them to work out a deal for one of their many RHD? Probably just cost them one decent prospect or pick and then they don't have to over pay to k last a got on his wrong side
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:15 p.m.
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Pretty reasonable imo. Zaitsev probably costs a 1st to dump on his own, then its a 1st + top prospect for Chychrun which seems alright. There should be protections on the picks to avoid a Bowen Byram situation again but if OTT believes they have improved enough to not be a bottom feeder the next 2 years then I think they should do it
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:16 p.m.
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Jones still had one year left, Plus was a sign and trade for 9 years total. No way does Chychrun remotely have that kind of value.


No one is gonna pay that for him
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:16 p.m.
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Pretty reasonable imo. Zaitsev probably costs a 1st to dump on his own, then its a 1st + top prospect for Chychrun which seems alright


I def wouldn’t do that. If Dorion was willing to offer that, the deal would be done
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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Beat me to it smile Ridley Greig is definitely on my untouchable list, think he proved that already this WJC. Would make more sense to send back Lassi and/or Brannstrom as a puck moving prospects for Arizona to use to replace chychrun down the line.

Also Locked On Senators > Wally and Methot (love both tho lol)
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:18 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
No one is gonna pay that for him


I agree, That's why he hasn't been traded yet. If Armstrong wants to unload on Chychrun. He'll need to come down on his asking price.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:18 p.m.
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Dorion has told ARI that Pinto, Sanderson and Greig are untouchable, and they are not getting moved, Zeitzev costs a 2nd to move not a 1st, also one of JBD or Thompson would be prospect going back. The reason Chych is not s sens right now is the 2 1st round picks ARI wants.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:18 p.m.
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I agree, That's why he hasn't been traded yet. If Armstrong wants to unload on Chychrun. He'll need to come down on his asking price.


The deal won’t be done without Zaitsev. Ottawa can’t make the money work.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:19 p.m.
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Dorion has told ARI that Pinto, Sanderson and Greig are untouchable, and they are not getting moved, Zeitzev costs a 2nd to move not a 1st, also one of JBD or Thompson would be prospect going back.

This is pretty much right
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.
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Quoting: athrin
Dorion has told ARI that Pinto, Sanderson and Greig are untouchable, and they are not getting moved, Zeitzev costs a 2nd to move not a 1st, also one of JBD or Thompson would be prospect going back.


Kassian has a cap hit 1.3M less than Zaitsev with the same term and he cost a 2nd + 3rd + the difference between picks 29 and 32. Dumping Zaitsev costs more than a 2nd
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:22 p.m.
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Kassian has a cap hit 1.3M less than Zaitsev with the same term and he cost a 2nd + 3rd + the difference between picks 29 and 32. Dumping Zaitsev costs more than a 2nd


Zeitsev has more value to ARI than picks, he makes the tea worst, thus lose more thus better chance at 1st OA. Also Dorion could have already move Zeitsev for a 2nd a while ago but did not want to have a hole in his D so that ARI could ask for more
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:31 p.m.
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Zeitsev has more value to ARI than picks, he makes the tea worst, thus lose more thus better chance at 1st OA. Also Dorion could have already move Zeitsev for a 2nd a while ago but did not want to have a hole in his D so that ARI could ask for more


Kassian also makes the team worse and so does Nemeth. How do you know he couldve moved Zaitsev for a 2nd? Either way the market has already been set for cap dump value to Arizona now

Kassian at 3.2Mx2 cost a 2nd + 3rd + difference between picks 29 and 32
Nemeth at 2.5Mx2 cost a 2nd + 3rd which is upgradable to a 2nd minus the value of a recent 3rd round pick

Zaitsev has the same term as them but his cap hit is 1.3M more than Kassian and 2M more than Nemeth. Both of them cost more than a 2nd to dump, so I dont see how Zaitsev would cost less when he has a significantly larger cap hit
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:32 p.m.
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Kassian also makes the team worse and so does Nemeth. How do you know he couldve moved Zaitsev for a 2nd? Either way the market has already been set for cap dump value to Arizona now

Kassian at 3.2Mx2 cost a 2nd + 3rd + difference between picks 29 and 32
Nemeth at 2.5Mx2 cost a 2nd + 3rd which is upgradable to a 2nd minus the value of a recent 3rd round pick

Zaitsev has the same term as them but his cap hit is 1.3M more than Kassian and 2M more than Nemeth. Both of them cost more than a 2nd to dump, so I dont see how Zaitsev would cost less when he has a significantly larger cap hit


crapy D hurts more than a crapy 4th line
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:33 p.m.
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Jones still had one year left, Plus was a sign and trade for 9 years total. No way does Chychrun remotely have that kind of value.


I think the price above is ludicrous. But chycrun does have 3 years left for whatever it's worth.

When all is said and done he'll get some variation of what most big trade pieces get. A first, a top prospect and a decent player
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:33 p.m.
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Pretty reasonable imo. Zaitsev probably costs a 1st to dump on his own, then its a 1st + top prospect for Chychrun which seems alright. There should be protections on the picks to avoid a Bowen Byram situation again but if OTT believes they have improved enough to not be a bottom feeder the next 2 years then I think they should do it


Is Zaitsev that bad?
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:34 p.m.
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crapy D hurts more than a crapy 4th line


Nemeth is a D also. The value is set
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:36 p.m.
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Is Zaitsev that bad?


Costing a 1st to dump is more of a reflection on the current trade market and his term rather than him being super bad imo
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:38 p.m.
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Is Zaitsev that bad?


yes
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:38 p.m.
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Kassian has a cap hit 1.3M less than Zaitsev with the same term and he cost a 2nd + 3rd + the difference between picks 29 and 32. Dumping Zaitsev costs more than a 2nd


The second and third were two and three years away. That does affect value. But yeah it was a hefty price. I feel like Zaitsev is better than Kassian though.
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.
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No thanks


Quoting: athrin
Dorion has told ARI that Pinto, Sanderson and Greig are untouchable, and they are not getting moved, Zeitzev costs a 2nd to move not a 1st, also one of JBD or Thompson would be prospect going back. The reason Chych is not s sens right now is the 2 1st round picks ARI wants.


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