Knies projects as more than middle 6. On the Leafs he can play with elite players on either top line so - time will tell. He’ll be up by the playoffs.
Miller is not that good but more importantly - we don’t need him. He wouldn’t even get on PP unit #1 (which was first in the league).
If you’re a motivated seller, go find a motivated buyer - there are prob many but I think you’re waiting until the TDL either way.
If you were moving Demko - maybe there’s a conversation, but that’s not happening and there’s no skater on the Canucks that would be worth the price to acquire them. Leafs are a better team and have better players (in general).

Legit question because I am not a fan either way, but is JT Miller the player in NY and TB who averaged about 15 minutes in a 2nd line role with better players (particularly TB) or is he the guy in VAN (a fringe playoff team)playing 20 minutes and being the focal pt of the offense?

I mean, Knies at best is a top 6 guy which I’d say is a B prospect. Also, Hughes would be your best D man

I think he’s much more the guy he is in Vancouver. He’s not going to be a 100 point guy again and if a team expects that from him they’ll likely be disappointed but he can hover around a PPG for any team that will give him a chance to

I’m not getting into that with you again, Reilly > Hughes, but to each his own and again pointless b/c Canucks aren’t moving him and leaf’s would never offer what was asked even if they were. We don’t need him.
The only player (like for like) that is better on the Canucks is Demko. Otherwise our #1 centre is better than yours, our #2 centre, our #1 winger, etc. etc and our d corps > than yours (prob b/c you have one of the worst in league). Just no trade fit here.

Very fair answer, another question or opinion take, is he better suited driving a 2nd line as a center or is there more value playing him on the wing with a true 1C?

I mean, Miller > Tavares but yeah on better 1C, better 1W, better D.

I think that genuinely just depends on the team. He can do either very well. I think he’s better at C but he’s probably more valuable with more ice time. For a team like Colorado he might be better at 2C well on a team like the Islanders he could be a better 1 W

That’s debatable but in your scenario - who’s #1 Centre if not your golden boy?

I’d argue when healthy Pettersson is. Better defensively, and on the second half of the year (when he was more healthy) he had a 44 goals 96 point pace. Realistically Miller on an average year is a pp/slightly above ppg player

You are thinking of an A+ blue chip. Players like that are not prospects for more than a year.

That’s fair.

I have to disagree I would value Knies because he brings what the Leafs need, size and physicality. If he wouldnt give him up for Flurry he wont for Miller either.

JT Miller >>>> A few weeks of MAF.

This absolutely isn't meant to be a "Leafs prospects suck!" comment, because everyone does it. The fact that thing that's giving you pause to trading for a year of a guy that literally does what you're *hoping* Knies can do some day down the road is hilarious. Miller had 99 pts last year, played an extremely physical game, crushed it up the middle on a middling team, played on the PP and PK, and basically dragged the Canucks along for most of the season.

Toronto sports fans love to use other sports or players from the past to make comparisons to...Guys like Wendel Clark, Kawhi Leonard, Roberto Alomar...This is your Kawhi moment.

Honestly, I'm assuming the Canucks get a better offer than this.

Stop it, you're making me like this trade when I don't want to.

HOARDDDD THE PROSPECTSSSSSS YOU PEASANTSSSSS!

Honestly, I don't know why anyone would possibly question the Leafs side of this...you're getting exactly what a lot of you guys say you need, right? So what if it's for 1 year. At what point do we realize that prospects will let us down 90% (+?) of the time? I feel like people should close their eyes, sit back and reminise about the prospects that they've drafted outside the top 15 or so, that they thought were "can't miss!" guys, and think about how many actually missed.

Ducks-wise, because again, I'm not here to bash the Leafs, I immediately think about:
-Larsson
-Steel
-Ritchboiii
-Mahura
-Logan F*ckin' MacMillan
-Guhle
-Jones

That's just off the top of my head...I mean, from 2013-2018, of the Ducks 1st and 2nd round picks, there's a total of 1 (!!!) that has become anything more than a bottom 6 fwd/bottom pairing dman/non-tender guy (Shea Theodore). Look at the Leafs draft record...it's the same friggin' thing. I'm thinking about the players we could have traded for over the years with those picks...the likelihood that the team could have kept their window open even longer is hilariously high. The best teams in the league right now have the worst farm systems, and I'm pretty confident that they don't give two shakes about it.

Don't. Overvalue. Prospects. Winning >>>>>

I don't disagree with what you're saying.

The problem I have with moving Knies right now is he hasn't even sniffed an NHL game yet, and he has the size and tools to be a good NHLer, and soon. TOR needs the cheap help, and will continue to need it for years to come. I'd hate to move him before we've seen what he can really do, and then for him to flourish in another market. I understand that's the risk you take, but I'm not sure I have the stomach to take that risk.

Also, maybe ANA needs to be better at drafting?

Hahaha, I knew someone would dump on the Ducks drafting...When you take out top 10 picks from both sides, it's a pretttttty similar situation in Toronto

I don't know-I totally understand the cheap ELC stuff, and how he *might* some day flourish, and I certainly wouldn't want to put too much emphasis on the WJC, because 5 games is a small sample size, but when you're expected to come in and dominate a tournament in your D+1 year, and that happens, it should absolutely raise some question marks. There's absolutely no denying that he *could* become a presence.