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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:10 p.m.
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Quoting: pinslack
and it's pretty much the same conditions than the Marleau dump, but with fewer words : top 10 protection lol


I think Calgary's front office wanted the pick to have so many conditions to it just to save face.

And make some people think they actually won the trade.

But at the end of the day, they are still giving up a 1st round pick and Sean Monahan for diddly squat.
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:11 p.m.
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if CGY's 2024 1st is within 20-32, habs can swap the pick for the 2024 1st

if CGY gets the FLA 2025 1st from the tkachuk trade:
if both CGY and FLA picks are NOT in the top ten, then MTL gets the earlier pick
if the CGY pick is in the top 10 and the FLA pick isn't in the top 10, then MTL gets the FLA pick

if CGY does NOT get the FLA 2025 1st from the tkachuk trade:

- if the 2025 CGY 1st isn't in the top 10, MTL gets the CGY 1st, and if all the following conditions are met:
> 2025 FLA 1st isn't in the top 10
> 2025 FLA 1st is traded to another team
> 2025 FLA 1st is higher than 2025 CGY 1st,
- then MTL gets 2025 CGY 4th

- if the 2025 CGY 1st IS in the top 10, MTL gets the CGY 1st, subject to the following condition:
> If CGY's 2025 1st is the FIRST OVERALL PICK, then CGY keeps their 2025 1st, and instead, MTL gets 2025 CGY 3rd, as well as a conditional 2026 1st round pick. the condition is that MTL will receive the better of CGY or FLA's 2026 1st

Tried to write it in easy form
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:11 p.m.
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gonna do the smart thing and wait 3 years to actually have an opinion on this trade
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Banks
As you see, the conditions are a beast, the draft board and picks on the Habs page I am still deciding upon how to display. It will be updated in due time.


Just copy and paste from this link here:

https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/canadiens-acquire-sean-monahan-from-flames/c-335312254
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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LMFAO remember last offseason Flame fans were trying to move him for Kuzy... 1 for 1... lol wooof told them back then he was a cap dump.


Man, like, two months ago I was getting chided. “No, Monahan’s worth at least a 2nd. He’s gonna rebound!”


Also, so what is MTL’s cap situation now? Still gotta sign Dach…do they need to move money?
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:19 p.m.
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Man, like, two months ago I was getting chided. “No, Monahan’s worth at least a 2nd. He’s gonna rebound!”


Also, so what is MTL’s cap situation now? Still gotta sign Dach…do they need to move money?


Report just came out that Price is probs out for the year... Rehab hasn't gone well so there's the cap they need
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:19 p.m.
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Calgary got absolutely destroyed in this trade. Monahan is still a serviceable player. A 1st to move a guy who is overpaid is very bad. Marleau trade canes received no player and the full cap hit in one season.
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.
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Quoting: dopplsan
Man, like, two months ago I was getting chided. “No, Monahan’s worth at least a 2nd. He’s gonna rebound!”


Also, so what is MTL’s cap situation now? Still gotta sign Dach…do they need to move money?


yeah some guy was like "idk if i would do that trade" like Kuzy isnt like 100000x better. made me lol at the time and LMFAO now
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:21 p.m.
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Can someone clarify the “if Florida’s 2025 1st does and doesn’t transfer to Calgary part of the condition? I understand the rest
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Here are the conditions associated with the first-round selection acquired by Montreal:

1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,

If Florida's 2025 First (1st) Round Choice Transfers to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

2. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A) If both Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice (previously acquired by Calgary) are not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall receive the earlier of the two (2) stated choices; or,
B) If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida's 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice).
If Florida's 2025 First Round Choice DOES NOT Transfer to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

3. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice, and additionally,

1) If Florida's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results); and,
2) Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice has been transferred to another NHL Club; and,
3) Florida's 2025 first round draft position is better than Calgary's 2025 first round draft position; then Calgary will transfer their own 2025 fourth round choice to Montreal.
B. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice, subject to the following condition below:

1) In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil
Here are the conditions associated with the first-round selection acquired by Montreal:

1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,

If Florida's 2025 First (1st) Round Choice Transfers to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

2. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A) If both Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice (previously acquired by Calgary) are not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall receive the earlier of the two (2) stated choices; or,
B) If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida's 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice).
If Florida's 2025 First Round Choice DOES NOT Transfer to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

3. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice, and additionally,

1) If Florida's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results); and,
2) Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice has been transferred to another NHL Club; and,
3) Florida's 2025 first round draft position is better than Calgary's 2025 first round draft position; then Calgary will transfer their own 2025 fourth round choice to Montreal.
B. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice, subject to the following condition below:

1) In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).


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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:23 p.m.
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Quoting: GenXHockey
Calgary got absolutely destroyed in this trade. Monahan is still a serviceable player. A 1st to move a guy who is overpaid is very bad. Marleau trade canes received no player and the full cap hit in one season.


Cap situations are very different than at the time of that trade
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:26 p.m.
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When you try to understand the conditions

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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:26 p.m.
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Big W for Montreal
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:29 p.m.
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Edited Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:44 p.m.
Quoting: Zuki9797
if CGY's 2024 1st is within 20-32, habs can swap the pick for the 2024 1st

if CGY gets the FLA 2025 1st from the tkachuk trade:
if both CGY and FLA picks are NOT in the top ten, then MTL gets the earlier pick
if the CGY pick is in the top 10 and the FLA pick isn't in the top 10, then MTL gets the FLA pick

if CGY does NOT get the FLA 2025 1st from the tkachuk trade:

- if the 2025 CGY 1st isn't in the top 10, MTL gets the CGY 1st, and if all the following conditions are met:
> 2025 FLA 1st isn't in the top 10
> 2025 FLA 1st is traded to another team
> 2025 FLA 1st is higher than 2025 CGY 1st,
- then MTL gets 2025 CGY 4th

- if the 2025 CGY 1st IS in the top 10, MTL gets the CGY 1st, subject to the following condition:
> If CGY's 2025 1st is the FIRST OVERALL PICK, then CGY keeps their 2025 1st, and instead, MTL gets 2025 CGY 3rd, as well as a conditional 2026 1st round pick. the condition is that MTL will receive the better of CGY or FLA's 2026 1st

Tried to write it in easy form

Would the only way Calgary gets the Florida’s first only if Montreal swaps right? The “Does not get pick” part is also depending on the Montreal pick swap too right?
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Civil_Eng_PE
Cap situations are very different than at the time of that trade


Not even the slightest bit different actually. most teams are against/over the cap while a few have tons of space.
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:30 p.m.
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Honestly CGY wins. Ya they dealt ALOT, but they got Kadri, But then again, it’s a 7x7. I DONT KNOW WHO WON ALRIGH5 IM CONFUSED BY THIS.


Montreal definitely wins this trade.

It will turn into a win-win if Calgary wins a cup in the next year or two.
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:35 p.m.
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Man, I'm just here for certain CGY fans who've been harping for months that Monahan had legitimate value and the rest of our AGM's with deals like this were awful.

This must be a terrible time for y'all. Sending thoughts and prayers, hope you get through this trying time.
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil
Here are the conditions associated with the first-round selection acquired by Montreal:

1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,

If Florida's 2025 First (1st) Round Choice Transfers to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

2. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A) If both Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice (previously acquired by Calgary) are not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall receive the earlier of the two (2) stated choices; or,
B) If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida's 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice).
If Florida's 2025 First Round Choice DOES NOT Transfer to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

3. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice, and additionally,

1) If Florida's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results); and,
2) Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice has been transferred to another NHL Club; and,
3) Florida's 2025 first round draft position is better than Calgary's 2025 first round draft position; then Calgary will transfer their own 2025 fourth round choice to Montreal.
B. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice, subject to the following condition below:

1) In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).


I'm not gonna read all that, but happy for you! Or sad that it happened
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:38 p.m.
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Quoting: dopplsan
To everyone in the ACGMs thinking they can move salary at the cost of like, a 5th round pick, please take note.


Always important to take into account the value of the player when doing a cap dump. Does no one want the player or does no one want them at that price? Makes a big difference
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.
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Quoting: GenXHockey
Not even the slightest bit different actually. most teams are against/over the cap while a few have tons of space.


nah, this was def the best offer they had. And its honestly not that bad... They lose one first round pick over the next 3 years. I bet the ask was more before Price said he wasn't coming back this season and it opened up cap space for the Habs to take a cap dump. The original ask was probably the 2023 first and now Calgary got away from having to give that up. All teams over the cap right now are screwed and will have to give something up to get under it.
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:42 p.m.
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All this just to overpay Kadri
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:44 p.m.
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:46 p.m.
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Okay, so it sounds like the conditions can basically be summed up like this:

If CGY 2024 1st is 20th or lower, then MTL has the option to take that pick. If not, or MTL doesn't take that pick, then MTL will get the earliest non-top 10 pick of whatever 1st rounders are in CGY's possession across 2025 and 2026.

I think.
Maybe.
God please don't make me wrong.
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:47 p.m.
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:49 p.m.
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Kevyn Adams is asleep. Seriously you have $30M in cap space after finalizing the roster. Get the asset.
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