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Created by: JackSC87

Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 20, 2022

Published: Aug. 20, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

This team has too many forwards, multiple people need to be traded or bought out. Now it is very possible that guys on 1 year deals like Dadonov, Monahan, and Allen are moved as deadline rentals, this team cannot afford to wait that long, in my opinion.

Mike Hoffman - I decided Mike was a good first piece to move as he cannot be part of the teams' long-term future with his age. I sent him to Winnipeg(with retention) as they are a team who currently has a lot of cap space and needs to add forwards to strengthen their depth up front.

Dadonov - I debated between trading him or Anderson, but I figured that they might opt to keep the latter instead because the former will likely be off the team after this season regardless. I chose Calgary because they are a team that will most certainly be competing and somehow still has some cap wiggle room.

I'll be interested to see if Monahan and Drouin can revive their careers. Gallagher also took a huge step back last season, he'll need to bounce back or that contract will be a huge problem.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Dach, Kirby		2	$2,500,000
Primeau, Cayden		2	$762,500

Trades

MTL

Gustafsson, David
2024 2nd round pick (WPG)
2025 4th round pick (WPG)

WPG

Hoffman, Mike ($1,000,000 retained)

MTL

2024 2nd round pick (CGY)
2025 3rd round pick (CGY)

CGY

Dadonov, Evgeni ($2,500,000 retained)

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Mike Hoffman: $1,000,000 (22.22%)
Evgeni Dadonov: $2,500,000 (100%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$72,864,999	$1,132,500	$5,490,000	$9,635,001

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
	Monahan, Sean $6,375,000$6,375,000 C, LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5
Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 3	Dach, Kirby $2,500,000$2,500,000 C, RW RFA - 4	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 3	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 3	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Pitlick, Rem $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 4	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 3	Allen, Jake $2,875,000$2,875,000 G UFA - 1
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RD RFA - 2	Montembeault, Samuel $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 2
Harris, Jordan $842,500$842,500 ($507,500$508K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1		Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Pezzetta, Michael $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 3

Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:33 p.m.

Windjammer

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The Jets nor any other team is giving up anything of value for a cap dump. Add a first in 23 minimum to Hoffman to dump him and get back future considerations, like a career AHL'er.

The 4th alone is an extreme overpayment for Hoffman without a 1st coming with him.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:34 p.m.

jonh514

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I agree very much with the premise that we need to move out forwards so that the players feel they are being given a fair shot and don't eat each other.

Hoffman & Dadonov would be great to move, but I think the players with more value are Dvorak & Anderson.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:36 p.m.

jonh514

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Quoting: Windjammer

I agree that the Habs would need to pay to dump Hoffman. I think a 1st is too much and def not in 2023.

The Habs should probably focus on getting value for players like Anderson & Dvorak.

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:39 p.m.

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Quoting: jonh514

I agree that the Habs would need to pay to dump Hoffman. I think a 1st is too much and def not in 2023.

The Habs should probably focus on getting value for players like Anderson & Dvorak.

It cost Calgary a 1st to dump $6.3 mil of Monahan, so the price has been kind of set. Dumping $9.0 mil of Hoffman definitely costs Montreal a 1st. If Winnipeg was taking him, I would hope they insist on a 1st in 23.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:40 p.m.

JackSC87

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Quoting: Windjammer

I'm not so sure about that. Hoffman just got 35 points in 65 games on the worst team in the league and has shown previously that he has the skill to be effective when surrounded by other skillful players. I do think that retention is necessary but paying to dump him is irrational.

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:42 p.m.

jonh514

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Quoting: Windjammer

It was situational though and it's more 6.3M in 1 year not 4.5 in 2.

Anyway... Hoffman is not the player the Habs should move. Gotta move players that bring back a return. I think they get a 1st and a prospect for those 2 combined provided they take salary back.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:43 p.m.

JackSC87

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Quoting: Windjammer

As I've mentioned in another reply Hoffman just had 0.5 points per game while on the worst team in the league, and has previously proven to be an effective player on good teams. Monahan had to have incentive to be taken on because he has been ridiculed by injuries and was extremely inneffective even while playing on one of the best teams in the league. Monahan and Hoffman are not comparable.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.

JackSC87

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Quoting: jonh514

At the deadline a return like that is not impossible, but not many competing teams currently have the cap space to take on those two players, even if with half retained.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 1:54 p.m.

jonh514

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Quoting: JackSC87

At the deadline a return like that is not impossible, but not many competing teams currently have the cap space to take on those two players, even if with half retained.

I would more likely be looking to bring back a Defenseman with term in the 4-6M range for Anderson.

I think there are a few teams who need a Center and Dvorak could bring back a late 1st as that's what we paid for him 1 year ago.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 2:00 p.m.

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Windjammer

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Edited Aug. 20, 2022 at 2:37 p.m.

Quoting: JackSC87

Cool. Good luck with that. Remember 2 years ago when Hoffman was a ufa with better stats. No one wanted him. Only Montreal was desperate enough to sign him. Nothing has changed he's but a desirable player. No one wants him. He is a straight up cap dump.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 2:04 p.m.

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There is a reason Hoffman, even after having multiple 30 goal seasons, is never resigned by his team. He is really bad defensively, doesn't drive play and supposedly is a cancer in the locker room. The only thing he is good for is shooting on the power play. He's 32 and not getting any younger. With the NHL moving towards more youth, you would be lucky to get a 7th round pick for him. Likely would cost multiple assets to dump. Montreal might as well just hold onto him as it looks like they are trying to rebuild, so two years of Hoffman likely stays in Montreal.
Even if Montreal does try and move him, likely no teams would be interested as there will be multiple better options out there to trade for.

Aug. 20, 2022 at 2:07 p.m.

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Quoting: Lancebmx

Poor man's Michael Ryder?

Aug. 20, 2022 at 2:30 p.m.

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Edited Aug. 20, 2022 at 2:36 p.m.

Quoting: jonh514

I can't see anyone being that desperate, but good luck with that.

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 2:32 p.m.

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Quoting: Windjammer

I can't see anyone bring that desperate, but good luck with that.

Thanks for wishing me good luck!

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Aug. 20, 2022 at 2:35 p.m.

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Quoting: JackSC87

That's cool, you can frame it any way you want. But as I said when Hoffman was a ufa a couple years back no one wanted him. Probably due to poor moral character, team cancer, and an offense only style of play. Nothing has changed as far as his negatives go and his positives aren't as good as they used to be.

Winnipeg certainly world have no interest in him. Even retained, he's negatives far outweigh his positives.

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