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Created by: raph222b
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 25, 2022
Published: Aug. 25, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
MTL
  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
Additional Details:
Contract aside, cause with the contract, KK is kinda lost value
CAR
  1. Dach, Kirby [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$88,321,666$1,132,500$5,070,000-$5,821,666
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 8
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
UFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 3
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,820,000$4,820,000
C
UFA - 8
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$507,500$508K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
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$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.
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No need to even look, habs add
Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:25 p.m.
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My guess is both teams will regret the trade/offer sheet extension.
Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:31 p.m.
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I miss Bergy.
Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:34 p.m.
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we miss leo k
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Montreal adds, but not a ton. Partially because KK has shown out a little better than Dach to this point in his career, partially because Carolina paid a pretty hefty acquisition cost for KK (you might know something about that) and I think they'd want to recoup some of that value if they moved on from him.
Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:45 p.m.
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In a tight cap world, CAR adds - his contract is just a big question mark at this point.
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Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:45 p.m.
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Dach can skate, KK can't.

KK will actually use his size, Dach doesn't.

Too bad they couldn't combine their traits.
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Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:46 p.m.
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
Montreal adds, but not a ton. Partially because KK has shown out a little better than Dach to this point in his career, partially because Carolina paid a pretty hefty acquisition cost for KK (you might know something about that) and I think they'd want to recoup some of that value if they moved on from him.


Montreal paid a higher cost to acquire Dach. #13 and #66 OA picks.

Canes did pay 27# and 92# OA to acquire Kotkaniemi
Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:52 p.m.
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we miss leo k
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Quoting: Taz
Montreal paid a higher cost to acquire Dach. #13 and #66 OA picks.

Canes did pay 27# and 92# OA to acquire Kotkaniemi


Jeez, that was it? For some reason I thought they had offer sheet-ed Kotkianiemi at the 1st/2nd/3rd level.

Scratch my first part, but I think Montreal still adds because KK at least looks somewhat deserving of his contract at this point.
Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:54 p.m.
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Montreal adds.

And it's not even close.
Aug. 25, 2022 at 3:55 p.m.
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I’m sure the comments in here will be rational (surprisingly they have been this far) 😂

I think MTL adds a bit. Believe KK has shown slightly more but has had more opportunity to show. This seems pretty close though and both players are going to be disappointing based on their draft slots but hopefully will turn into quality middle 6 Cs.
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Aug. 25, 2022 at 4:24 p.m.
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Carolina adds, MTL is done with KK so you'll have to pay us to take him AND send you a replacement. Just saying
Aug. 25, 2022 at 4:27 p.m.
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Lol
Aug. 25, 2022 at 4:44 p.m.
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Carolina got KK for the equivalent of a 1st and a 3rd. MTL got Dach for the same thing but higher quality ones. Dach is cheaper but KK has proven a little more. I don't think either team adds anything. Cap space is king and KK has not proven a whole lot more than Dach at this point and Dach is 1 year younger thus has 1 year of potential that we already know KK about. If Dach scores 40 points this year, he'd be ahead of where KK is right now and would be cheaper. That unknown is also worth something.
Aug. 25, 2022 at 4:46 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Carolina got KK for the equivalent of a 1st and a 3rd. MTL got Dach for the same thing but higher quality ones. Dach is cheaper but KK has proven a little more. I don't think either team adds anything. Cap space is king and KK has not proven a whole lot more than Dach at this point and Dach is 1 year younger thus has 1 year of potential that we already know KK about. If Dach scores 40 points this year, he'd be ahead of where KK is right now and would be cheaper. That unknown is also worth something.


I did say without including the KK cap hit, so I have think you would say kk for now
Aug. 25, 2022 at 4:51 p.m.
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Quoting: raph222b
I did say without including the KK cap hit, so I have think you would say kk for now


Missed that. Thought it was just statement.

Hmm I mean I guess its kind of pointless question then. Why would you add assets to players in a trade with no cap hits involved ? It would be like saying who adds between KK vs Dach but nothing of what they did in their career thus far matters. Only their cap hit..... Obviously Dach is cheaper so I guess that's better then right?
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Aug. 25, 2022 at 4:55 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Missed that. Thought it was just statement.

Hmm I mean I guess its kind of pointless question then. Why would you add assets to players in a trade with no cap hits involved ? It would be like saying who adds between KK vs Dach but nothing of what they did in their career thus far matters. Only their cap hit..... Obviously Dach is cheaper so I guess that's better then right?


I think it would, as of now, give an unfair advantage to Dach because he is an RFA and will probably sign a bridge deal. KK already has his full deal.
Aug. 25, 2022 at 5:05 p.m.
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I think it would, as of now, give an unfair advantage to Dach because he is an RFA and will probably sign a bridge deal. KK already has his full deal.


But you said contracts aside? Whether they are RFA or UFA at the end of their contract is irrelevant. Not only that, KK is signed for 8 years so the RFA vs UFA thing doesn't really matter any more. Dach could be a UFA in technically 5 years if he wanted to. KK is guaranteed 8 more years till free agency.

Either way this whole debate is kind of pointless. Who is a better player right now? Probably KK. He's had some playoff success so that is worth something but picking two players with various amount of time in the league is like saying whose better right now : Connor McDavid or Connor Bedard ? One guy hasn't had a full chance to prove as much as the other yet so its an unfair comparison in that context so that is why cap hits and contracts are needed if you want to compare players in this way.
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Aug. 25, 2022 at 5:09 p.m.
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Habs pass
Aug. 25, 2022 at 6:10 p.m.
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Carolina adds, MTL is done with KK so you'll have to pay us to take him AND send you a replacement. Just saying


Yes, you are done with him. Period. We'll keep him. This whole conversation just needs to end.
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