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Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 27, 2022
Published: Aug. 27, 2022
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  1. Girard, Samuel
  2. Kaut, Martin
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 8:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
When I called him a 3 I meant that his ideal role is as the 3rd d man. He can play top pair, but on a cup contender I’d want him as my #3. I apologize if I phrased it poorly, but I seriously doubt you don’t know what I meant.



His ideal role is a 3. Could not agree more.

Individual teams depth charts are not relevant. He’d be a 1 on some teams a 4 on others. But ideally he’s a 3. 👍🏻
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 8:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Gofnut999
His ideal role is a 3. Could not agree more.

Individual teams depth charts are not relevant. He’d be a 1 on some teams a 4 on others. But ideally he’s a 3. 👍🏻


But u can win a cup with him in that role. Technically they did he just got hurt.
Aug. 27, 2022 at 9:16 p.m.
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The answer is neither for miller. Byram going nowhere, if firsts goes it for someone with term
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 10:17 p.m.
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Girard is worth more than Miller at this point. What a joke.


Lmao youre a joke. Girard is massively overrated
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 10:25 p.m.
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Quoting: UBS_ARENA
Lmao youre a joke. Girard is massively overrated


He is under contract for five more years at a great price. He is a legit top four d man who can play top pair if needed. Terrible take.
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 10:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
He is under contract for five more years at a great price. He is a legit top four d man who can play top pair if needed. Terrible take.


Girard is becoming redundant in Colorado with Toews, Makar, Byram, and Manson. He is an odd man out. Miller is Vancouver's top performer. A good second pair d man is not worth a 99 point player. Even the term doesn't make Girard's value as high as Miller.
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 10:39 p.m.
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Girard is becoming redundant in Colorado with Toews, Makar, Byram, and Manson. He is an odd man out. Miller is Vancouver's top performer. A good second pair d man is not worth a 99 point player. Even the term doesn't make Girard's value as high as Miller.


I think Joe Sakic disagrees with you
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 10:45 p.m.
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I think Joe Sakic disagrees with you


I'm sure you know what he thinks
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 10:53 p.m.
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I'm sure you know what he thinks


He wouldn’t trace him to sign Kadri
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 11:04 p.m.
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He wouldn’t trace him to sign Kadri


Miller is younger, better, more versatile. I'm sure he wont be interested in him I suppose. Not like the Canucks would want a small LHD in Girard either
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 11:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
Miller is younger, better, more versatile. I'm sure he wont be interested in him I suppose. Not like the Canucks would want a small LHD in Girard either


He’s a good player dude
Aug. 27, 2022 at 11:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
He’s a good player dude


But tell me where he fits in a d-core already containing Quinn Hughes, OEL, and Jack Rathbone... He doesn't fit, fills no needs for us, therefore low value. Miller on the other hand would fill a huge hole as 2C in the Avs roster, therefore more value.
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 11:23 p.m.
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But tell me where he fits in a d-core already containing Quinn Hughes, OEL, and Jack Rathbone... He doesn't fit, fills no needs for us, therefore low value. Miller on the other hand would fill a huge hole as 2C in the Avs roster, therefore more value.


Avs have Newhook who can play 2C. Or Rantanen. Or even Compher. The idea that having OEL and Rathbone means the Canucks couldn’t use Girard is ridiculous.
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 11:27 p.m.
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Avs have Newhook who can play 2C. Or Rantanen. Or even Compher. The idea that having OEL and Rathbone means the Canucks couldn’t use Girard is ridiculous.


Sure play your 1RW at 2C, put your young forward in at 2C when youre contending, or put your 3C as your 2C. Recipe for contention. Girard has no place in our lineup. Do you honestly think the Canucks are going to pay OEL 7 mil to play on the third pair? Why should the Canucks accomidate Girard?
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In what world is a player coming off a superstar caliber year worth a player coming off a replacement level year?
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 11:30 p.m.
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Sure play your 1RW at 2C, put your young forward in at 2C when youre contending, or put your 3C as your 2C. Recipe for contention. Girard has no place in our lineup. Do you honestly think the Canucks are going to pay OEL 7 mil to play on the third pair? Why should the Canucks accomidate Girard?
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In what world is a player coming off a superstar caliber year worth a player coming off a replacement level year?


Couldn’t Girard play his off side? Also OEL shouldn’t play second pair.
Aug. 27, 2022 at 11:39 p.m.
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Sure play your 1RW at 2C, put your young forward in at 2C when youre contending, or put your 3C as your 2C. Recipe for contention. Girard has no place in our lineup. Do you honestly think the Canucks are going to pay OEL 7 mil to play on the third pair? Why should the Canucks accomidate Girard?
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In what world is a player coming off a superstar caliber year worth a player coming off a replacement level year?


He’s not replacement level tbh, but either way I don’t c why Newhook couldn’t take over as 2C. Also I think Rantanen/Landeskog both spent time on the second line last year.
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Aug. 27, 2022 at 11:56 p.m.
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Couldn’t Girard play his off side? Also OEL shouldn’t play second pair.


He can play right side but he doesn't fit with our LD. We don't want a Hughes-Girard pairing
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Aug. 28, 2022 at 3:30 a.m.
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Girard isn’t a fit with Van and honestly he wasn’t very good last year. That bargain deal is starting to look not much like a bargain anymore. Kaut isn’t really anything at this point.

I don’t think this deal makes sense for vancouver


Fac-tu-al. F. A. C. T. U. A. L. Fact u al. FACTUAL!!!
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Aug. 28, 2022 at 9:12 a.m.
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He is under contract for five more years at a great price. He is a legit top four d man who can play top pair if needed. Terrible take.



Another misconception. Not a great price. Pretty close to actual value. If anything it’s an overpayment as opposed to being a value deal.
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Aug. 28, 2022 at 9:28 a.m.
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Fac-tu-al. F. A. C. T. U. A. L. Fact u al. FACTUAL!!!


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He can play right side but he doesn't fit with our LD. We don't want a Hughes-Girard pairing


I get that. I’m more trying to approach this from the Avs pov tbh
Aug. 28, 2022 at 9:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Gofnut999
No he isn’t.

The 3 most overated players on this site:

Girard
PLD
Any Leaf in a Leaf’s fans eyes. 😁


Girard is the new Justin Barron on this site. Barron was untouchable by Avs fans last year. Girard contract isnt terrible but he's clearly the odd man out on a team that will have to cut cap in 2023. Waiting until they have to dump ala Vegas model isnt smart and they'll only be squeezed to dump with nothing coming back.
Aug. 28, 2022 at 10:02 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
He is under contract for five more years at a great price. He is a legit top four d man who can play top pair if needed. Terrible take.


Top pair?????? Jesus that would be a really bad top pair. He does not have an amazing cap hit its probably fair value and if he wouldnt be playing in the COL system with the elite players on that team he would be thought of as a lot worse. If he were to be traded from COL to almost any other team he would instantly take a massive step back.


Aug. 28, 2022 at 11:25 a.m.
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Top pair?????? Jesus that would be a really bad top pair. He does not have an amazing cap hit its probably fair value and if he wouldnt be playing in the COL system with the elite players on that team he would be thought of as a lot worse. If he were to be traded from COL to almost any other team he would instantly take a massive step back.




He has played top pair before. Then some guy named Devon Toews got flipped to Colorado for a couple second round picks.

Also even if his numbers take a hit after leaving Colorado, not playing with guys like MacDermid would probably help his metrics a lot too lol.
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Aug. 28, 2022 at 1:51 p.m.
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He has played top pair before. Then some guy named Devon Toews got flipped to Colorado for a couple second round picks.

Also even if his numbers take a hit after leaving Colorado, not playing with guys like MacDermid would probably help his metrics a lot too lol.


Just bc he played top pair before doesnt mean hes a top pair caliber player. I mean komarov played LW1 and draisaitl plays 2C. Also he didnt play much with macdermid though that wouldnt even matter bc analytics are designed to try and isolate individual impact regardless of teammates.
Aug. 28, 2022 at 1:56 p.m.
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Just bc he played top pair before doesnt mean hes a top pair caliber player. I mean komarov played LW1 and draisaitl plays 2C. Also he didnt play much with macdermid though that wouldnt even matter bc analytics are designed to try and isolate individual impact regardless of teammates.


Yeah but they r always touch and go lol. Look at Dobson’s transition d numbers from Jfresh with Chara lol.
 
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