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Kane

Created by: TMLBRIAN
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 30, 2022
Published: Aug. 30, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Kane extends 1 year 2.625m a year to play with Matthews until his contract runs out (wishful thinking x1 million on my part)

Thoughts?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Kane, Patrick
1$2,625,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Kane, Patrick ($5,250,000 retained)
2.
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    Kane Retention
    ARI
    1. 2023 5th round pick (TOR)
    2. 2025 3rd round pick (TOR)
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    2023
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    2024
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    2025
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$82,500,000$82,336,450$212,500$0$163,550
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $950,000$950,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
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    $11,640,250$11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 2
    Kane, Patrick
    $2,625,000$2,625,000
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    $6,962,366$6,962,366
    RW
    UFA - 2
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    $11,000,000$11,000,000
    C, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 3
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    $10,903,000$10,903,000
    RW
    UFA - 3
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    $2,250,000$2,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $796,667$796,667
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
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    $750,000$750,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
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    $2,100,000$2,100,000
    RW, C, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
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    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
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    $834,167$834,167
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $7,500,000$7,500,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 8
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    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD/RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $4,687,500$4,687,500
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $800,000$800,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,400,000$1,400,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,800,000$1,800,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $5,625,000$5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    $750,000$750,000
    RD
    UFA
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    -$2,625,000-$2,625,000
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 1

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    Aug. 30, 2022 at 9:21 p.m.
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    Yeah, that Kane trade is absurd.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 9:24 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Yeah, that Kane trade is absurd.


    how so?

    1st + a level prospect + replacement top 9 player (for cap purposes) + top 6 right dmen (for cap purposes) - Kerfoot and Holl would be resold for more picks before the deadline. Kerfoot would easily get a 2nd around deadline. Potentially a 1st. Holl would be a 3rd - 5th round pick.

    Arizona 3rd + 5th for 2.625m? I may be a bit off here though.

    Keep in mind Kane has a full NMC - So he would have to waive. Only a handful of teams he would waive to. Which would lower his value quite a bit. It would still be very high though.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 9:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: TMLBRIAN
    how so?

    1st + a level prospect + replacement top 9 player (for cap purposes) + top 6 right dmen (for cap purposes) - Kerfoot and Holl would be resold for more picks before the deadline. Kerfoot would easily get a 2nd around deadline. Potentially a 1st. Holl would be a 3rd - 5th round pick.

    Arizona 3rd + 5th for 2.625m? I may be a bit off here though.

    Keep in mind Kane has a full NMC - So he would have to waive. Only a handful of teams he would waive to. Which would lower his value quite a bit. It would still be very high though.


    CHI doesn't want or need Kerfoot and Holl. You're sending them two rental players they don't need and making them trade them later. Niemela is not an A-Level Prospect. He's a good prospect, don't get me wrong, but he's not your best and if you want to jump in the game for Kane, you're going to need to pony up. If you want them to take Kerfoot and Holl, you're going to have to add another prospect or a 2nd.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 9:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    CHI doesn't want or need Kerfoot and Holl. You're sending them two rental players they don't need and making them trade them later. Niemela is not an A-Level Prospect. He's a good prospect, don't get me wrong, but he's not your best and if you want to jump in the game for Kane, you're going to need to pony up. If you want them to take Kerfoot and Holl, you're going to have to add another prospect or a 2nd.


    Most trades for top players involve cap going back the other way. Sometimes it's dead cap. Sometimes it players who are worth their contracts, but it's cap none the less. Kerfoot and Holl are easily worth their cap hit. They are positive assets but they are worth less right now, today, than they would be at the deadline (if they are healthy). Odds are, any team that Kane is willing to go to, cap will need to go back to Chicago.

    I may be short in terms of value. But Chicago would accept 1 or both of Kerfoot and Holl to make this deal happen. But the big thing here is the 1st + prospect. Niemela is a A prospect. I have blue chip ahead of A prsoepcts though. So there is one tier higher in my mind. Leafs have no blue chips. They have 2 A's in Niemela + Knies, an A- in Robertson, and then a bunch of B's.

    We will see where Kane goes. Toronto will be high on the list though.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 9:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    CHI doesn't want or need Kerfoot and Holl. You're sending them two rental players they don't need and making them trade them later. Niemela is not an A-Level Prospect. He's a good prospect, don't get me wrong, but he's not your best and if you want to jump in the game for Kane, you're going to need to pony up. If you want them to take Kerfoot and Holl, you're going to have to add another prospect or a 2nd.


    Holl may have negative value but kerfoot shouldn't. He's a 50 pt w/c who can pk well, and has a cap hit of 3.5 and is paid 0.75m

    He's no massive value but even in this cap environment he isn't negative.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 9:51 p.m.
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    That's just not enough to get Patty Kane. I realize he's a rental but this offer will be easily outbid. Especially when Chicago is retaining 50%. I still think Kane will be a Ranger by the trade deadline.
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    Aug. 30, 2022 at 9:54 p.m.
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    Frankly I wouldn't pay it as the leafs and I doubt Chicago accepts. As above they'd expect a premium return for a hall of famer who while old, is still playing at art ross threatening levels.

    The truth of the matter is, if I'm the leafs I don't pay the asking price for a stud pending Ufa this year as there is essentially zero chance we could resign one. So that means whatever we pay is for a pure rental. So the cost is just too high. Part of the cost is for at least the opportunity to try to resign whoever you trade for and we won't have that

    (Also size note, retaining 5 mil for a full season is going to cost moreL
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:09 p.m.
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    Arizona laughs at your paltry offer.
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    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: carbonxe
    Arizona laughs at your paltry offer.


    2.625m for 3rd and 5th? Seems reasonable.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: BCAPP
    Holl may have negative value but kerfoot shouldn't. He's a 50 pt w/c who can pk well, and has a cap hit of 3.5 and is paid 0.75m

    He's no massive value but even in this cap environment he isn't negative.


    But he's also not a need. CHI has no need for rentals and doesn't need the burden of having to try and move them parts later.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: TMLBRIAN
    Most trades for top players involve cap going back the other way. Sometimes it's dead cap. Sometimes it players who are worth their contracts, but it's cap none the less. Kerfoot and Holl are easily worth their cap hit. They are positive assets but they are worth less right now, today, than they would be at the deadline (if they are healthy). Odds are, any team that Kane is willing to go to, cap will need to go back to Chicago.

    I may be short in terms of value. But Chicago would accept 1 or both of Kerfoot and Holl to make this deal happen. But the big thing here is the 1st + prospect. Niemela is a A prospect. I have blue chip ahead of A prsoepcts though. So there is one tier higher in my mind. Leafs have no blue chips. They have 2 A's in Niemela + Knies, an A- in Robertson, and then a bunch of B's.

    We will see where Kane goes. Toronto will be high on the list though.


    No "may" about it. You're short on the return for Kane.
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    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:28 p.m.
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    Asking Chicago to pay full cap, retention+Kerfoot+Holl, for a late 1st and Niemela?
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    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:31 p.m.
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    While Niemela is a good prospect, he's not quite an A prospect. I've witnessed many 2nd round D men have outstanding junior careers then sputter and struggle to make the transition to the NHL. TOR has to include Knies if they want Kane.

    Ultimately, I don't think Dubas is willing to push that hard for Kane. I think he ends up with New York, reuniting with Panarin. The Rangers have much more pieces to offer than TOR does and CHI doesn't have to take cap back. NYR will have $4.07M in deadline cap space, plenty for Kane at $2.625M, and no need for CHI to take any cap dumps.
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    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    But he's also not a need. CHI has no need for rentals and doesn't need the burden of having to try and move them parts later.


    Getting a guy one can flip for value is not a burden. It's a value
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: BCAPP
    Holl may have negative value but kerfoot shouldn't. He's a 50 pt w/c who can pk well, and has a cap hit of 3.5 and is paid 0.75m

    He's no massive value but even in this cap environment he isn't negative.


    Toronto should keep him.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: BCAPP
    Getting a guy one can flip for value is not a burden. It's a value


    Getting value is value.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Getting value is value.


    Again I'm not saying Chicago should take this trade, but a guy they can flip for picks is a value. Not a burden.
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:53 p.m.
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    Again I'm not saying Chicago should take this trade, but a guy they can flip for picks is a value. Not a burden.


    Yeah, not a burden on capfriendly.com, but it's a burden to a GM in the real world.
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    Aug. 30, 2022 at 10:53 p.m.
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    Toronto should keep him.


    I hope they do, but unfortunately think he'll be a cap casualty. He is mighty useful for this team. He has been our injury replacement top 6 c when Matthews or Tavares has gone down ever since we got him. I fear without him it is now Jarnkrok
    Aug. 30, 2022 at 11:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: BCAPP
    Holl may have negative value but Kerfoot shouldn't. He's a 50 pt w/c who can pk well, and has a cap hit of 3.5 and is paid 0.75m

    He's no massive value but even in this cap environment he isn't negative.


    You're absolutely right -- or at least, I agree with you -- that Kerfoot doesn't have negative value. But the issue isn't what you can trade Kerfoot FOR, it's whether you can trade him AT ALL.

    You've listed some of the attributes that give Kerfoot intrinsic value IN ISOLATION. But context is everything. Who's going to ask for him?

    None of last year's 17 contenders (including near-misses Las Vegas and Islanders) not named Toronto don't have the cap space for him. That leaves 14 possible landing spots. It's highly likely that Kerfoot doesn't want to go to a bottom feeder, and it was pretty apparent even at the beginning of the summer (when Kerfoot had to submit his ten-team no-trade list) that at least 9 of those 14 teams are no-hopers: Anaheim, Arizona, Buffalo, Chicago, Detroit, Montreal, Ottawa, Philadelphia and Seattle. It therefore seems highly probable that those teams are on his no-go list. So we have 5 teams left: Columbus, New Jersey, San Jose, Vancouver and Winnipeg. Even if the tenth team on Kerfoot's list is one of the four that doesn't have cap space, that doesn't leave much leeway.

    You won't be getting many offers for him, which seriously reduces his value.
    Aug. 31, 2022 at 10:58 a.m.
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    Quoting: NickC1988
    While Niemela is a good prospect, he's not quite an A prospect. I've witnessed many 2nd round D men have outstanding junior careers then sputter and struggle to make the transition to the NHL. TOR has to include Knies if they want Kane.

    Ultimately, I don't think Dubas is willing to push that hard for Kane. I think he ends up with New York, reuniting with Panarin. The Rangers have much more pieces to offer than TOR does and CHI doesn't have to take cap back. NYR will have $4.07M in deadline cap space, plenty for Kane at $2.625M, and no need for CHI to take any cap dumps.


    NYR fans will fight you all day on that. Yeah, NYR's make the most sense for a Kane trade, but that all depends on where Drury thinks they are in the rebuild and if he is willing to spend at this point. Considering their performance last season, I think now would be a good time for them to push their roster in to win mode and make a bid on a superstar like Kane. They risk prolonging their rebuild exponentially if they miss the window with Kreider, Panarin, Zab, and Trouba. Because their younger players aren't going to be able to do it on their own any time soon.
    Aug. 31, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: TMLBRIAN
    2.625m for 3rd and 5th? Seems reasonable.


    Arizona got 2 2nds for 2.5m for taking on Nemeths contract. Arizona can demand way more than the sad offer of a 3rd and 5th to pick up a $2.5m tab.
    Aug. 31, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: carbonxe
    Arizona got 2 2nds for 2.5m for taking on Nemeths contract. Arizona can demand way more than the sad offer of a 3rd and 5th to pick up a $2.5m tab.


    Nemeth has 2 years on his contract. Kane only has 1. That extra year adds a lot to the price tag as well.
     
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