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Initial Creation Date: Aug. 31, 2022
Published: Aug. 31, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dach, Kirby2$2,100,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Greiss, Thomas
  2. Scandella, Marco
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Edmundson, Joel
2.
MTL
  1. Watson, Austin
  2. 2023 7th round pick (NSH)
OTT
  1. Hoffman, Mike
3.
MTL
  1. Lowry, Adam
WPG
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (MTL)
4.
MTL
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (ANA)
  2. 2024 4th round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
5.
MTL
  1. Theodore, Shea
VGK
  1. Roy, Joshua
  2. Farrell, Sean [Reserve List]
  3. Kapanen, Oliver [Reserve List]
  4. Byron, Paul
  5. 2023 3rd round pick (MTL)
6.
MTL
  1. Grubauer, Philipp
  2. Dunn, Vince
SEA
  1. Montembeault, Samuel
  2. Guhle, Kaiden
  3. Barron, Justin
  4. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
  5. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $833,333
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$82,500,000$77,909,166$1,132,500$4,600,000$4,590,834
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Caufield, Cole
$880,833
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Suzuki, Nick
$7,875,000
C
UFA - 8
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Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
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Dadonov, Evgeni
$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Dvorak, Christian
$4,450,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
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Gallagher, Brendan
$6,500,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 5
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Slafkovsky, Juraj
$950,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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Monahan, Sean
$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Dach, Kirby
$2,100,000
C, RW
RFA - 4
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Lowry, Adam
$3,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
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Evans, Jake
$1,700,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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Watson, Austin
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Pitlick, Rem
$1,100,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Theodore, Shea
$5,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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Dunn, Vince
$4,000,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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Grubauer, Philipp
$5,900,000
G
NTC
UFA - 5
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Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
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Wideman, Chris
$762,500
RD
UFA - 2
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Greiss, Thomas
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 1
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Scandella, Marco
$3,275,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Savard, David
$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4

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Aug. 31 at 12:23 a.m.
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The Blues might consider that... if they had the cap for it, which they do not.
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Aug. 31 at 12:26 a.m.
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Vegas passes.

Seattle isn't trading Grubauer with Driedger out for the year with a torn ACL.
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Aug. 31 at 12:38 a.m.
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And this ladies and gentlemen is What you get when a LAK fan is doing a Montreal ACGM
Aug. 31 at 12:42 a.m.
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The Blues might consider that... if they had the cap for it, which they do not.


Id do it anyway and either run a 22 man squad or trade mikkola for a cheaper alternative/picks and bring up rosen
Aug. 31 at 1:23 a.m.
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First NY Then LA
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And this ladies and gentlemen is What you get when a LAK fan is doing a Montreal ACGM


This isn't an LA Kings fan no matter what his profile says. We've disavowed him long ago.
Aug. 31 at 8:37 a.m.
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Montreal declines the St. Louis, Winnipeg and Seattle trades, Ottawa and Anaheim decline theirs and both decline the Vegas trade.
Aug. 31 at 9:26 a.m.
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While these trades are great for Montreal, value wise, the opposing teams don't give then even a passing consideration.
Aug. 31 at 9:56 a.m.
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-Allen is better than Greiss, but Edmundson is much better than Scandella and will be on the ice most nights (as opposed to Allen who'll be the backup goalie for what? 35ish games?), so the value is fair with St. Louis kicking in the 3rd. If I'm Montreal, I'd kick in the necessary retention on Allen to make the deal work for the Blues, because the two guys you're sending out aren't dragging you out of the lottery this season; might as well get an extra pick out of the deal if you can.

-Can't see Ottawa taking this. Hoffman is a better player than Watson, sure, but Watson is only making $1.5M this year while Hoffman still has 2x$4.5M left. I also don't know where Hoffman fits in with the Sens top 6 being some combo of Norris/Tkachuk/Giroux/Stuetzle/Batherson/DeBrincat. I think Montreal adds to this to get out of Hoffman's deal; maybe a little less than they normally would since they are taking back Watson's contract and cap hit, but still: Habs add.

-I honestly don't hate this if I'm the Jets? Lowry still has 4x$3.25M, while Armia is 3x$3.4M. Lowry had a better year last year than Armia, but overall through their careers they've put up similar production. If Winnipeg thinks that Morgan Barron is ready to slide into 3C, I think it'd be a worthwhile trade to get out of that $3M+ cap hit a year early and snag a pair of 2nds.

-Drouin has no value until he's on the ice; some team will probably take him at the deadline if he's playing well and the Habs retain. I don't see him fetching back any sort of positive asset before the season and at his full cap hit, though.

-This one is tough. I don't think the value of the package is far off, but I don't see Vegas trading Theodore without a young, cost-controlled D coming back. If you swap out one of those forward prospects for one of the many D prospects Montreal has coming up (Justin Barron? Jordan Harris?) I think Vegas would seriously consider it as a way to shed some of the cap they need to move while not completely hamstringing their team.

-Look, I get that Seattle would be seriously killing themselves in goal here, but this is a big overpay in my eyes. Grubauer is a solid goalie but his value is at a low point after a bad season; Vince Dunn is a fine middle-pair D and not much more. Giving up a pair of 1sts PLUS Kaiden Guhle & Justin Barron, and you're throwing in an extra goalie for me too? If I'm the Kraken, I take this and run - this potentially locks in half of my top 4 for the next decade at the cost of a 26 year old D I was probably dangling next summer and 5x$5.9M of my .889 SV% goalie? Sign me up!
Aug. 31 at 10:14 a.m.
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None of this is any good!
The only one that actually makes sense from a Habs perspective is the Ott trade, which Ott doesn't do!
Aug. 31 at 10:24 a.m.
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
-Allen is better than Greiss, but Edmundson is much better than Scandella and will be on the ice most nights (as opposed to Allen who'll be the backup goalie for what? 35ish games?), so the value is fair with St. Louis kicking in the 3rd. If I'm Montreal, I'd kick in the necessary retention on Allen to make the deal work for the Blues, because the two guys you're sending out aren't dragging you out of the lottery this season; might as well get an extra pick out of the deal if you can.

-Can't see Ottawa taking this. Hoffman is a better player than Watson, sure, but Watson is only making $1.5M this year while Hoffman still has 2x$4.5M left. I also don't know where Hoffman fits in with the Sens top 6 being some combo of Norris/Tkachuk/Giroux/Stuetzle/Batherson/DeBrincat. I think Montreal adds to this to get out of Hoffman's deal; maybe a little less than they normally would since they are taking back Watson's contract and cap hit, but still: Habs add.

-I honestly don't hate this if I'm the Jets? Lowry still has 4x$3.25M, while Armia is 3x$3.4M. Lowry had a better year last year than Armia, but overall through their careers they've put up similar production. If Winnipeg thinks that Morgan Barron is ready to slide into 3C, I think it'd be a worthwhile trade to get out of that $3M+ cap hit a year early and snag a pair of 2nds.

-Drouin has no value until he's on the ice; some team will probably take him at the deadline if he's playing well and the Habs retain. I don't see him fetching back any sort of positive asset before the season and at his full cap hit, though.

-This one is tough. I don't think the value of the package is far off, but I don't see Vegas trading Theodore without a young, cost-controlled D coming back. If you swap out one of those forward prospects for one of the many D prospects Montreal has coming up (Justin Barron? Jordan Harris?) I think Vegas would seriously consider it as a way to shed some of the cap they need to move while not completely hamstringing their team.

-Look, I get that Seattle would be seriously killing themselves in goal here, but this is a big overpay in my eyes. Grubauer is a solid goalie but his value is at a low point after a bad season; Vince Dunn is a fine middle-pair D and not much more. Giving up a pair of 1sts PLUS Kaiden Guhle & Justin Barron, and you're throwing in an extra goalie for me too? If I'm the Kraken, I take this and run - this potentially locks in half of my top 4 for the next decade at the cost of a 26 year old D I was probably dangling next summer and 5x$5.9M of my .889 SV% goalie? Sign me up!


No one thought Chiarot would fetch a 1st because his value was not that high;
No one thought Kulak would fetch a 2nd, 4th and a player because his value was not that high;
No one thought Lehkinen would fetch a 1st pick in Barron and a 2nd because his value was not that high;
No one thought Romanov would fetch a 1st and a 4th because his value was not that high;
Drouin has more value than you think and it will be proven on the ice or in a trade for multiple pieces; we haves so many wingers already, he is a prime candidate to be traded due to what you can get for him and only 1 season left so no risk either!
Aug. 31 at 10:32 a.m.
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No one thought Chiarot would fetch a 1st because his value was not that high;
No one thought Kulak would fetch a 2nd, 4th and a player because his value was not that high;
No one thought Lehkinen would fetch a 1st pick in Barron and a 2nd because his value was not that high;
No one thought Romanov would fetch a 1st and a 4th because his value was not that high;
Drouin has more value than you think and it will be proven on the ice or in a trade for multiple pieces; we haves so many wingers already, he is a prime candidate to be traded due to what you can get for him and only 1 season left so no risk either!


yeah wow it's almost like i said his value would be proven once he's on the ice and not before

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-Drouin has no value until he's on the ice; some team will probably take him at the deadline if he's playing well and the Habs retain. I don't see him fetching back any sort of positive asset before the season and at his full cap hit, though.
Aug. 31 at 2:25 p.m.
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A b level prospect, some hopes and prayers and a 3rd doesn’t get you Theodore. Come on 🙄
Aug. 31 at 2:53 p.m.
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Ottawa isn't taking back Hoffman

Plus, they don't need him at all
Sep. 1 at 8:44 a.m.
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yeah wow it's almost like i said his value would be proven once he's on the ice and not before


"Drouin has more value than you think and it will be proven on the ice"

Don't get me wrong here.
I was just reiterating the point that although Drouin and the whole team had a terrible year, that he has more value and the Habs will not have to retain.
Personally I think the only reason he's still there is because he's French and it would have looked bad to trade him right after the mental health issues came out.
I can still see him being traded before the season with no retention.

I couldn't pull apart any of your other comments because I agreed with them!
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