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Team: 2023-24 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 31, 2022
Published: Aug. 31, 2022
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Free Agent Signings
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2$950,000
2$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,250,000
6$4,000,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
2$825,000
6$4,250,000
1$775,000
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4$6,000,000
1$2,000,000
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. Demko, Thatcher
  2. Pettersson, Elias
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At 2023 NHL Draft
VAN
  1. Jokiharju, Henri
  2. Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka [RFA Rights]
  3. Östlund, Noah
  4. Rosén, Isak
  5. 2023 1st round pick (BUF)
  6. 2024 1st round pick (BUF)
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2023 1st is 10th overall
2024 1st is top 5 protected
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BUF
  1. 2024 5th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Portillo, Erik [Reserve List]
Additional Details:
Before August 15th when Portillo would become a UFA
3.
BUF
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (SEA)
Additional Details:
Change of scenery, Jason Botterill connection
4.
BUF
  1. Cizikas, Casey
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Olofsson, Victor
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (SEA)
Additional Details:
Draft day trade, Sabres select Quentin Musty with the 16th overall pick
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2023
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23$84,000,000$71,547,856$0$4,145,000$12,452,144
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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$7,142,857$7,142,857
C
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
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UFA - 3
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C, LW
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C
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G
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RD
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LD
RFA - 2
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 7:57 p.m.
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juiceman you're a legend


Thats false
Aug. 31, 2022 at 7:57 p.m.
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You know it’s juicy when you have to scroll down to the comments. That being said Petersen is team controlled 1C for 4 years Demko a top 10 goalie locked up long term on a team friendly deal. The only thing I’ll comment is there is zero chance you get pick restrictions getting Petersen, I would also say I think the chances of VAN trading those guys and not getting either Dahlin or Power is basically zero.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 7:58 p.m.
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Then they aren't starters. There were plenty of tandem goalies. Tandem goalies cant even be considered top 10. You seriously going to argue here? At worst, you could have him ranked as low has 7th minimum


Doesnt matter, youre comparing him to half of the leagues goalies, and not the top half, just a scatter shot
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Doesnt matter, youre comparing him to half of the leagues goalies, and not the top half, just a scatter shot


Fine. You want me to do minimum 30 games played? very well. Tell me how he isn't a top goalie after i bring up some stats...

4th in goals saved above expected
7th goals saved above expected/60
3rd in save percentage
8th goals against average
7th goals against average better than expected
4th wins above replacement

Demko was 3rd in the league in games played with 64. You want to compare him to goaltenders who played less than 50 games, fine I allowed it, and Demko still averaged around 6th in the league in the important statistics. A jump from 4th to 6th, guess Demko is no longer a good goalie...
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:06 p.m.
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Then they aren't starters. There were plenty of tandem goalies. Tandem goalies cant even be considered top 10. You seriously going to argue here? At worst, you could have him ranked as low has 7th minimum


When 64 goalies - 2 each team:
Demko
13th in Goals saved above expected
17th in Goals saved above expected/60
16th in Save%
24th in GAA
13th in Goals saved above expected
13th in wins above replacement
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:06 p.m.
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Fine. You want me to do minimum 30 games played? very well. Tell me how he isn't a top goalie after i bring up some stats...

4th in goals saved above expected
7th goals saved above expected/60
3rd in save percentage
8th goals against average
7th goals against average better than expected
4th wins above replacement

Demko was 3rd in the league in games played with 64. You want to compare him to goaltenders who played less than 50 games, fine I allowed it, and Demko still averaged around 6th in the league in the important statistics. A jump from 4th to 6th, guess Demko is no longer a good goalie...


Also where are you getting your numbers- mines moneypuck
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:36 p.m.
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Demko is a top 4 goalie in the league just behind Sorokin at #3. Pettersson is better than Barzal. Think about what package you want would for Barzal and Sorokin, and then add more simply because our defense is in shambles and losing Demko would make us a lottery team whereas the Isles actually have sustainable defense


The saros disrespect is real
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:37 p.m.
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I don't see markstrom or hellybuck here either.


Markstrom is debatable imo but saros has to be there as well
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:43 p.m.
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I suppose you could argue Pettersson outside of the top 15 centers given his "down season" where he was playing injured for half of it. Demko on the other hand, you cant really argue

Compared to other starting goaltenders around the league at 5v5 (minimum 50 games played), Demko is:
3rd in goals saved above expected
5th in goals saved above expected/60
3rd in save percentage
5th in goals against average
5th in goals against average better than expected
3rd in wins above replacement


What model are you using? Bc those stats dont match up with his Jfresh card
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:49 p.m.
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What model are you using? Bc those stats dont match up with his Jfresh card


Moneypuck.com 5v5 stats. Unless you have a subcription to where you can find all of the player cards, I don't see any Demko cards by jfresh
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:50 p.m.
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The saros disrespect is real


No disrespect. Amazing goalie. I have him on the same tier as Demko. Shesterkin and Vasi as tier 1A, Sorokin, Demko, Saros, Hellebuyck, and maybe Markstrom for tier 1B
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:50 p.m.
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Moneypuck.com 5v5 stats. Unless you have a subcription to where you can find all of the player cards, I don't see any Demko cards by jfresh


Ill post it
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:51 p.m.
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Also where are you getting your numbers- mines moneypuck
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Exact same place. I'm using 5v5 stats as it is the best way to analyze a goaltender's individual performance.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:54 p.m.
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When 64 goalies - 2 each team:
Demko
13th in Goals saved above expected
17th in Goals saved above expected/60
16th in Save%
24th in GAA
13th in Goals saved above expected
13th in wins above replacement


By having 64 goalies, the minimum game count is 19 games. That is an AWFUL way to compare top goalies. You have goaltenders playing less than half the season messing up the results. A true 1A goaltender plays at least 60% of the season, which is 50 games. Using 19 games minimum is just not it... You should also be using 5v5 stats if you really want to compare a goaltenders individual performance.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:06 p.m.
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Moneypuck.com 5v5 stats. Unless you have a subcription to where you can find all of the player cards, I don't see any Demko cards by jfresh


Very good goalie, top 10 imo but sorry not top 5.


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Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:07 p.m.
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Very good goalie, top 10 imo but sorry not top 5.




Those are not the same stats as the ones I showed. The stats I showed were much more in depth and more important.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:12 p.m.
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Those are not the same stats as the ones I showed. The stats I showed were much more in depth and more important.


In what way? Sv% and gaa are more important? In what world is that the case? Also i can start posting the cards of the other top goalies for comparison if you want.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:13 p.m.
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By having 64 goalies, the minimum game count is 19 games. That is an AWFUL way to compare top goalies. You have goaltenders playing less than half the season messing up the results. A true 1A goaltender plays at least 60% of the season, which is 50 games. Using 19 games minimum is just not it... You should also be using 5v5 stats if you really want to compare a goaltenders individual performance.


There are 64 nhl goalie positions. You wouldnt ignore stone and Kucherov because they missed half the year. Even then, 30 and 40 games his numbers are still outside the top 10
Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:14 p.m.
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Fine. You want me to do minimum 30 games played? very well. Tell me how he isn't a top goalie after i bring up some stats...

4th in goals saved above expected
7th goals saved above expected/60
3rd in save percentage
8th goals against average
7th goals against average better than expected
4th wins above replacement

Demko was 3rd in the league in games played with 64. You want to compare him to goaltenders who played less than 50 games, fine I allowed it, and Demko still averaged around 6th in the league in the important statistics. A jump from 4th to 6th, guess Demko is no longer a good goalie...


He started the 3rd most games this year so any raw totals are useless. You would have to only use /60 bc otherwise its just based on playing time not ability.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:15 p.m.
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In what way? Sv% and gaa are more important? In what world is that the case? Also i can start posting the cards of the other top goalies for comparison if you want.


The save percentage chart is inaccurate. By the official NHL site, Demko had the same save percentage this season and last season, yet this player card shows his save percentage going down. The stats I provided included goals saved above expected (arguably the best stat), even strength save % (Demko is 3rd place in that category), and wins above replacement (Again ranked 3rd amongst starter goalies at 5v5)
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:16 p.m.
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This is horrendous for Vancouver good lord
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:16 p.m.
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There are 64 nhl goalie positions. You wouldnt ignore stone and Kucherov because they missed half the year. Even then, 30 and 40 games his numbers are still outside the top 10


So you would compare a goalie who played 19 games the same as a goalie who played 65 games? Foolish. You're actually comparing goaltenders to skaters who have had injuries? Again, foolish. I'm not even gonna bother arguing with you if you can't be bothered to use some common sense
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:21 p.m.
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In what way? Sv% and gaa are more important? In what world is that the case? Also i can start posting the cards of the other top goalies for comparison if you want.


Goals against average is not the most important. A goalie could have a higher save percentage and higher goals against average than another goalie. Goals against average is more of a team statistic. Goals saved above expected is an individual statistic. Save % is good and Demko is 3rd in even strength save percentage. Those goalie cards are not as reliable as going deep into their actual statistics.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:22 p.m.
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So you would compare a goalie who played 19 games the same as a goalie who played 65 games? Foolish. You're actually comparing goaltenders to skaters who have had injuries? Again, foolish. I'm not even gonna bother arguing with you if you can't be bothered to use some common sense


Yes, thats not foolish, also i gave you the 30 and 40 game standard. You cherry picked specific spots where he would look the best. 5v5 numbers against 16 other goalies, thats just as foolish as including a goalie with 19 games
Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:23 p.m.
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He started the 3rd most games this year so any raw totals are useless. You would have to only use /60 bc otherwise its just based on playing time not ability.


From the site I used, only one /60 stat was provided which I used. Demko is ranked 6th in goals save above expected/60 at even strength (Minimum 41 games)
 
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