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2 Big Trades and 1 Small Signing

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Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 31, 2022
Published: Aug. 31, 2022
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Calgary doesn't want to trade Anderson. Leafs don't want to trade Nylander. Both teams trade from a point of strength to address a need.
Vancouver would really need to like Sandin to make this deal. I am very high on Sandin personally. He has a great combination of skill, toughness and he is young.

Leafs get bigger, stronger, tougher to play against but lose some good pieces.
Vancouver gets 2 young assests in the 1st and Sandin and they can either keep Kerfoot and extend him or sell him at the deadline.
Calgary gets a substantial forward upgrade and their dcorp is still extremely good without Andersson.

ZAR would be perfect for their 4th line.

Thoughts?
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,250,000
Trades
1.
2.
TOR
  1. Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
  2. Schenn, Luke
VAN
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Sandin, Rasmus [RFA Rights]
  3. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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23$82,500,000$82,324,084$212,500$0$175,916
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$2,625,000$2,625,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$834,167$834,167
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:41 p.m.
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Canucks decline; good start just feel they'd want a bit more value especially with adding Schenn
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:42 p.m.
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Nylander won't work with Sutter.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:43 p.m.
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Wow what a new idea. Kerfoot and Sandin for Miller and Schenn!
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:44 p.m.
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Vancouver declines. Kerfoot is a cap dump, we're all set on LD and a late 1st round pick doesn't get Miller with retained salary and Schenn.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:46 p.m.
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Canucks pass. They don’t need Sandin they need a RHD. Personally I’d prefer Liljegren but Niemela is acceptable
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:46 p.m.
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Canucks decline; good start just feel they'd want a bit more value especially with adding Schenn


I will add any prospect not named Niemela and Knies to this package. (Amirov is off the table because of his health). If Niemela or Knies are in this, remove Sandin.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:47 p.m.
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Vancouver declines. Kerfoot is a cap dump, we're all set on LD and a late 1st round pick doesn't get Miller with retained salary and Schenn.


I don’t think Kerfoot is a cap dump. He’s a solid middle 6 player who’s salary we’d probably need to take back in a Miller to TOR trade. He doesn’t have much value but I wouldn’t say it’s negative
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:49 p.m.
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I don’t think Kerfoot is a cap dump. He’s a solid middle 6 player who’s salary we’d probably need to take back in a Miller to TOR trade. He doesn’t have much value but I wouldn’t say it’s negative


Most times he is worth a 2nd. Deadline half retained he could MAYBE fetch a 1st. Right now... so hard to tell but I guess anywhere from 2nd round pick to future considerations. I assume a 3rd round pick right now. Definitely not negative value though. I agree with you for sure!
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:49 p.m.
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Flames decline easily
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:49 p.m.
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Quoting: TMLBRIAN
I will add any prospect not named Niemela and Knies to this package. (Amirov is off the table because of his health). If Niemela or Knies are in this, remove Sandin.


Yeah honestly all that I'd add would be someone like Nick Robertson or Hirvonen or another pick
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:50 p.m.
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Canucks pass. They don’t need Sandin they need a RHD. Personally I’d prefer Liljegren but Niemela is acceptable


If Vancouver does this trade they would try Sandin on the right. He only played 1 game on the right for the Leafs this past year though. So Sample size was too small to see how effective he is. Good, skilled dmen who has some physicality to his game (go look at the video of him blowing up Wheeler in his rookie year).

Like I said in the description, Vancouver would need to be very high on Sandin to make this trade.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:50 p.m.
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Quoting: audiodave
Vancouver declines. Kerfoot is a cap dump, we're all set on LD and a late 1st round pick doesn't get Miller with retained salary and Schenn.


Kerfoot is far from a cap dump IMO, he's quite underrated and would actually be a solid piece coming back
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:51 p.m.
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Quoting: mv21227
I don’t think Kerfoot is a cap dump. He’s a solid middle 6 player who’s salary we’d probably need to take back in a Miller to TOR trade. He doesn’t have much value but I wouldn’t say it’s negative


We have more than enough forwards as it is, If Toronto has to move him to make the deal work, then he's a cap dump.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:51 p.m.
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Yeah honestly all that I'd add would be someone like Nick Robertson or Hirvonen or another pick


We add Hirvonen, you add 2023 5th round pick?
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:52 p.m.
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Kerfoot is far from a cap dump IMO, he's quite underrated and would actually be a solid piece coming back


this.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:54 p.m.
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We have more than enough forwards as it is, If Toronto has to move him to make the deal work, then he's a cap dump.


He would replace Miller on your current roster. (Clearly a downgrade over Miller) but he would slot in on the left wing on one of your top 3 lines (depending on chemistry) OR 3C. I am personally not high on Kerfoot as a C though based on his faceoff percentage but he has that flexibility if there are injuries.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.
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Flames decline easily


Easily? I doubt that. They may decline but they would definitely have a team meeting about this one first.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.
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Quoting: canucksfan43
Kerfoot is far from a cap dump IMO, he's quite underrated and would actually be a solid piece coming back


He'll be a UFA at the end of the season, he's not a good center and we have lots of middle 6 wingers already. It makes no sense for Vancouver to trade for him. If he was included in a trade with Vancouver, it would be so Toronto could make cap space and that's a cap dump IMO.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:57 p.m.
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Canucks decline. Replace Sandin with Niemala and you have yourself a conversation at least
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:58 p.m.
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He'll be a UFA at the end of the season, he's not a good center and we have lots of middle 6 wingers already. It makes no sense for Vancouver to trade for him. If he was included in a trade with Vancouver, it would be so Toronto could make cap space and that's a cap dump IMO.


not all pieces added to a trade that are for cap purposes are negative value dumps though. Vancouver would not see him as a negative value dump. They would look at him as a useful tool that they can either keep and extend OR sell off at the deadline if he remains healthy for a decent pick.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 8:59 p.m.
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Canucks decline. Replace Sandin with Niemala and you have yourself a conversation at least


As a Leaf fan I am all in on this.

Sandin is the better of the 2 pieces in my mind. He has crazy amount of potential and has shown he can play in the NHL. I will happily swap Sandin out and add Niemela.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:02 p.m.
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He would replace Miller on your current roster. (Clearly a downgrade over Miller) but he would slot in on the left wing on one of your top 3 lines (depending on chemistry) OR 3C. I am personally not high on Kerfoot as a C though based on his faceoff percentage but he has that flexibility if there are injuries.


A major downgrade on Miller. He'd likely be the 4th line LW as we have lots of wingers currently. But you are correct that Kerfoot is not a good center, he's a decent winger but we don't need that.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:05 p.m.
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not all pieces added to a trade that are for cap purposes are negative value dumps though. Vancouver would not see him as a negative value dump. They would look at him as a useful tool that they can either keep and extend OR sell off at the deadline if he remains healthy for a decent pick.


Ok, he's not negative value, he's just no value and takes up cap space as far as Vancouver is concerned.
Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:20 p.m.
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Ain't no way the Flames are trading the two four years of Anderson for the two years of the more expensive Nylander. And you want Dube and more cap for Flames?
Other teams should value Miller, a lot more than Leafs. Really I can't see a Miller trade till closer to TDL when his cap and teams who really think need him will bid for him.
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Aug. 31, 2022 at 9:54 p.m.
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Vancouver declines. Kerfoot is a cap dump, we're all set on LD and a late 1st round pick doesn't get Miller with retained salary and Schenn.


lol, Kerfoot would have been 5th in scoring for canuck forwards last year with no power play time and had a whole 1 point less than Boeser and Horvat. Guess every canuck forward but 2 are cap dumps
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