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Created by: MeetYourMakar
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 31, 2022
Published: Sep. 2, 2022
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I know they don't want/need to trade Pinto. I am just a fan. What would he cost?

Rambo Santa is a throw in bc he has a legendary old saint nick-name and Ottawa is 2nd closest to his war-torn home in the N.P
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Sep. 2, 2022 at 9:20 a.m.
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I know this will sound crazy but the only interest would be Cale Makar, or Newhook straight up if they really like him

I mean Girard plays RD but I'm not sure he's the type of guy they want (size bias too). They need to find a Methot for Chabot.

MacKinnon is great but will be very expensive, plus with Stutzle and Norris it's not a position of need

Some great wingers too but with Tkachuk, Batherson, DeBrincat and Giroux, also not a position of need

Then there's guys like Greig, Formenton, Jarventie, etc who will be waiting for their opportunity

Toews and Byram are great but with Chabot and Sanderson, not a position of need

Also, JBD would be far from a throw in, they have had this guy on their target for quite some time
Sep. 2, 2022 at 9:25 a.m.
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I would probably only move Pinto if we are getting Dobson or Seider or someone better than that. Not saying in a 1 for 1 , more would need to be added . But yeah that’s probably only way I move him
Sep. 2, 2022 at 10:17 a.m.
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i dont like jbd as a prospect at all. pinto is a very nice start for girard but something better would need to be added
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Sep. 2, 2022 at 10:21 a.m.
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I would probably only move Pinto if we are getting Dobson or Seider or someone better than that. Not saying in a 1 for 1 , more would need to be added . But yeah that’s probably only way I move him


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I know this will sound crazy but the only interest would be Cale Makar, or Newhook straight up if they really like him


I get the love for Pinto but he's unproven and these guys you both are talking about are top players at their position. It would take Pinto, plus a lot more to get any if those Dmen... So yes these are crazy takes haha. As far as Girard, I just don't think his style is needed with Sanderson, Brannstrom, Chabot.

Won't even touch Makar haha, Seider obv not available. Dobson would be unreal, and if the isles are actually haggling over contract I would move a lot for Dobson then try and give him a long term contract. But I don't even think Isles need a C with Raty in the system. Sens would probably have to trade Greig, JBD/thompson plus for Dobson
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Sep. 2, 2022 at 10:21 a.m.
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i dont like jbd as a prospect at all. pinto is a very nice start for girard but something better would need to be added


I assumed they would be high(could end the sentance here) on Pinto. JDB as a lesser D prospect, I struggled to pick but channeled my inner S.Dangle and said WHY NOT?!
Sep. 2, 2022 at 10:34 a.m.
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I get the love for Pinto but he's unproven and these guys you both are talking about are top players at their position. It would take Pinto, plus a lot more to get any if those Dmen... So yes these are crazy takes haha. As far as Girard, I just don't think his style is needed with Sanderson, Brannstrom, Chabot.

Won't even touch Makar haha, Seider obv not available. Dobson would be unreal, and if the isles are actually haggling over contract I would move a lot for Dobson then try and give him a long term contract. But I don't even think Isles need a C with Raty in the system. Sens would probably have to trade Greig, JBD/thompson plus for Dobson


Then you don’t move Pinto. He will be very valuable in a few years. Our version of Cirelli and could be even better
Sep. 2, 2022 at 10:37 a.m.
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Then you don’t move Pinto. He will be very valuable in a few years. Our version of Cirelli and could be even better


Pump the breaks on that one. I think he will be a fine middle 6 guy but he isnt even a lock to be a center let alone an elite defensive 2c. His style of play would fit the Avs very well, I see why you guys are high on him.
Sep. 2, 2022 at 10:41 a.m.
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Pump the breaks on that one. I think he will be a fine middle 6 guy but he isnt even a lock to be a center let alone an elite defensive 2c. His style of play would fit the Avs very well, I see why you guys are high on him.


He’s known for his defence but he’s got very nice hands and a very nice shot. He was always compared to ROR . He’s definitely a lock to be a centre
Sep. 2, 2022 at 10:43 a.m.
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Then you don’t move Pinto. He will be very valuable in a few years. Our version of Cirelli and could be even better


He could* be but if that's the case then we'd have to pay him like that. Cap is shrinking with the good players on the sens now. If I absolutely had to choose between Pinto and a great top 4 RHD, I'm taking the D all day. Probably wouldn't do it for Girard
Sep. 2, 2022 at 10:44 a.m.
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He could* be but if that's the case then we'd have to pay him like that. Cap is shrinking with the good players on the sens now. If I absolutely had to choose between Pinto and a great top 4 RHD, I'm taking the D all day. Probably wouldn't do it for Girard


Even if he has a 40-50pt season this year, he won’t get more than a 2 x 2.5 bridge . It would be off 1 year only so not enough of a sample size to get more. And in 3 years, cap will be up and Giroux contract will expire
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Sep. 2, 2022 at 11:03 a.m.
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Even if he has a 40-50pt season this year, he won’t get more than a 2 x 2.5 bridge . It would be off 1 year only so not enough of a sample size to get more. And in 3 years, cap will be up and Giroux contract will expire


Norris got paid on 1 35 goal season and 52 goals in 125 total nhl games played. Which is good and he should be able to sustain 30 goal seasons but don't underestimate the power of short sample size haha. Id think/hope a bridge would be the case with pinto
Sep. 2, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.
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Norris got paid on 1 35 goal season and 52 goals in 125 total nhl games played. Which is good and he should be able to sustain 30 goal seasons but don't underestimate the power of short sample size haha. Id think/hope a bridge would be the case with pinto


Not anyones fault last year was shortened. He was on pace for like 52pts last year and 68pts this year . 90pts in 125 games in your first 2 years is pretty good
Sep. 2, 2022 at 11:10 a.m.
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I know this will sound crazy but the only interest would be Cale Makar, or Newhook straight up if they really like him

I mean Girard plays RD but I'm not sure he's the type of guy they want (size bias too). They need to find a Methot for Chabot.

MacKinnon is great but will be very expensive, plus with Stutzle and Norris it's not a position of need

Some great wingers too but with Tkachuk, Batherson, DeBrincat and Giroux, MacKinnon, also not a position of need

Then there's guys like Greig, Formenton, Jarventie, etc who will be waiting their opportunity

Toews and Byram are great but with Chabot and Sanderson, not a position of need

Also, JBD would be far from a throw in, they have had these guy on their target for quite some time


My hot take is Pinto will be better than Norris
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Sep. 2, 2022 at 11:11 a.m.
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My hot take is Pinto will be better than Norris


Summer might be over but the takes are still hot. Im all for it!
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Sep. 2, 2022 at 11:15 a.m.
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Summer might be over but the takes are still hot. Im all for it!


The thing I’m most excited about Pinto is how well rounded his game is. He seems to be a coach’s dream. This was a goal in preseason but he did that on Ehlers and scoring on Comrie
Sep. 2, 2022 at 11:29 a.m.
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The thing I’m most excited about Pinto is how well rounded his game is. He seems to be a coach’s dream. This was a goal in preseason but he did that on Ehlers and scoring on Comrie


If you look up his highlights, 90% of them are from this game lol. This will be a big year for him, see if he can stay healthy and play a full schedule either in the ahl of nhl.
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Sep. 2, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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I get the love for Pinto but he's unproven and these guys you both are talking about are top players at their position. It would take Pinto, plus a lot more to get any if those Dmen... So yes these are crazy takes haha.


Maybe I didn't write it correctly but OBVIOUSLY (like "sky is blue" level) I was not saying that Pinto can get you Makar straight up, or any of the guys mentioned either except maybe Newhook

But, there is no point going after players you don't NEED and pony up the price to not fill any need.

Sorry I thought it was obvious

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Norris got paid on 1 35 goal season and 52 goals in 125 total nhl games played. Which is good and he should be able to sustain 30 goal seasons but don't underestimate the power of short sample size haha. Id think/hope a bridge would be the case with pinto


This is not a small sample size. Look at what Norris did in the AHL (RoY) then in his NHL rookie season at 21 y/o... He just followed his impressive development curve with 35 goals in 66 games. Sens could have bridged him but they wanted to have his name carved in stone.
Sep. 2, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
pinto is a very nice start for girard but something better would need to be added


That would be a straight up no from us

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I think he will be a fine middle 6 guy but he isnt even a lock to be a center let alone an elite defensive 2c.


Why wouldn't he be a Center? He's made for that position

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My hot take is Pinto will be better than Norris


I used to think that last year but with the season Norris just had... it becomes quite the challenge. I mean, Norris has scored 47 goals in his last 91 games, that's the 12th highest G/GP in the whole NHL since March 15th 2021, even higher than DeBrincat
Sep. 2, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
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Why wouldn't he be a Center? He's made for that position


It's very common for good college/chl centers to shift to the wing to make the jump to the nhl or pro hockey in general.


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Maybe I didn't write it correctly but OBVIOUSLY (like "sky is blue" level) I was not saying that Pinto can get you Makar straight up, or any of the guys mentioned either except maybe Newhook

Sorry I thought it was obvious

I took it as a sarcastic/joke reply and got a good chuckle out of it. Now I'm concerned that you were stone cold serious.
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Sep. 2, 2022 at 12:46 p.m.
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It's very common for good college/chl centers to shift to the wing to make the jump to the nhl or pro hockey in general.


You're right, everything is possible but the question I'd have is : How many of his NCHC and NHL games have you seen?

Because based on watching him, it would be very surprising if he is not a Center at the NHL level. And that seems to be the consensus all over the internet.

I am not saying I can't be wrong but to me that would have been thinking prior to their careers that a guy like Pageau or Danault wouldn't have been a center in the NHL.

So far in 17 games with Ottawa, I don't think he played one shift not as Center.

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I took it as a sarcastic/joke reply and got a good chuckle out of it. Now I'm concerned that you were stone cold serious.


It's not that I don't get/appreciate the joke but we all have different tastes, even for humor. That said, based on the way I formulated, I can totally understand if he took it that way

I just didn't think he would have wrote it like that if he didn't, so I responded accordingly. But again, I could be wrong. I'd be concerned if you think this is really something worth talking about, particularly since you were not involved at all.
 
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