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Top 20 dmen currently

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Team: 2022-23 Custom Team
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 3, 2022
Published: Sep. 3, 2022
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20$82,500,000$141,455,666$0$850,000-$58,955,666
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Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the New York Rangers
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$9,059,000$9,059,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$8,450,000$8,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,300,000$5,300,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RD
UFA - 8
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$7,500,000$7,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$7,575,000$7,575,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the New York Islanders
$5,750,000$5,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 5
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 6
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$5,200,000$5,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$9,583,333$9,583,333
LD
UFA - 6
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.
#1
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I could quibble with the order but this is a very defensible list. Good job
Sep. 3, 2022 at 12:11 p.m.
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mcavoy at 7 is a joke.

he is a tier 2 caliber dman with fox/hedman and josi
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
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Just curious, how far from your cutoff is Faulk?
Sep. 3, 2022 at 12:34 p.m.
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How the heck do you have Heiskanen and Slavin ahead of McAvoy? McAvoy is a better version of both of them.
Sep. 3, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Dekes
mcavoy at 7 is a joke.

he is a tier 2 caliber dman with fox/hedman and josi


You're calling Victor Hedman a "tier 2" Defenseman that's the funniest thing I've heard in weeks
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 12:37 p.m.
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You're calling Victor Hedman a "tier 2" Defenseman that's the funniest thing I've heard in weeks


I think they are just trying to say Makar is #1 barring none
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:03 p.m.
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You're calling Victor Hedman a "tier 2" Defenseman that's the funniest thing I've heard in weeks


See @ledge_and_dairy comment. Hedman is clearly the 2nd best dman in the league, but Makar is generational. No knock on him.
Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:11 p.m.
#8
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Spurgeon too high, Weegar too low.
Seider and Werenski being in here over Rasmus Andersson is borderline criminal.

Still better than NHL.com ig
Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:15 p.m.
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Spurgeon too high, Weegar too low.
Seider and Werenski being in here over Rasmus Andersson is borderline criminal.

Still better than NHL.com ig


What? Werenski clears Rasmus Andersson, I will agree that Seider is too high though, the guy’s played 1 season, let’s chill a bit
Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.
#10
me wan da poonani
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What? Werenski clears Rasmus Andersson


i really don't think so, Andersson clear.
Werenski top 30 probably.
Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:24 p.m.
#11
What in tarnation
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Quoting: Tintin
i really don't think so, Andersson clear.
Werenski top 30 probably.


swedish bias
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:24 p.m.
#12
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
You're calling Victor Hedman a "tier 2" Defenseman that's the funniest thing I've heard in weeks


ya this is no knock on hedman but no one is on makar's tier right now
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:25 p.m.
#13
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NHL.Com just listed Moritz Seider #11 so he's at least 4 levels higher than this.
Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Xqb15a
See ledge_and_dairy comment. Hedman is clearly the 2nd best dman in the league, but Makar is generational. No knock on him.


i wouldn't even say he is number 2 anymore.

mcavoy and fox have both been then best 2way dominant dmen for the last 2 years now, hedman is starting to rely on PP now a little bit.

this season hedman was in the bottom 25% 5v5 defensively and he faced the bottom 46% quality of competition. yes he is still a good dman but even his 5v5 offence was in the bottom 48%. the only standout analytics he had were his finishing, G/60 and PP

i think he is becoming slightly overrated due to his name now, i actually have him as my number 5 dman and i think after this season their is a high chance, heiskanen/ slavin/ seider/ ekblad could rise above him
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.
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i really don't think so, Andersson clear.
Werenski top 30 probably.


Werenski's a #1 D, Andersson's a #2 D at best, i don't see how he's better than Werenski
Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:43 p.m.
#16
Sabres are elite
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Can't wait for the NHL community to finally start respecting Dahlin. Criminal not having him in the top 20. Reminder he's only 22
Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Dekes
mcavoy at 7 is a joke.

he is a tier 2 caliber dman with fox/hedman and josi


Quoting: cMac73
How the heck do you have Heiskanen and Slavin ahead of McAvoy? McAvoy is a better version of both of them.


I think numbers 4/5-8 are interchangeable and personal preference. McAvoy is amazing, and him being from Long Island gets extra brownie points for me. I think him being at 7 is more of a testament to how good some of the dmen in the league are now rather than a knock on hkm
Sep. 3, 2022 at 1:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Skyraider112
Can't wait for the NHL community to finally start respecting Dahlin. Criminal not having him in the top 20. Reminder he's only 22


I love Dahlin, I wouldn’t take him over any of these guys though
Sep. 3, 2022 at 2:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Dekes
i wouldn't even say he is number 2 anymore.

mcavoy and fox have both been then best 2way dominant dmen for the last 2 years now, hedman is starting to rely on PP now a little bit.

this season hedman was in the bottom 25% 5v5 defensively and he faced the bottom 46% quality of competition. yes he is still a good dman but even his 5v5 offence was in the bottom 48%. the only standout analytics he had were his finishing, G/60 and PP

i think he is becoming slightly overrated due to his name now, i actually have him as my number 5 dman and i think after this season their is a high chance, heiskanen/ slavin/ seider/ ekblad could rise above him


I mean he has been a Norris finalist 7 years in a row and won it twice. Are other guys closing the gap absolutely. But if you a dman for one season or one playoff run right now it’d be hard to argue against him. Entirely my own opinion but I think there is a clear cut 1 Makar, right and I mean right behind him in no particular order is Hedman McAvoy and Fox if you wanted to put McAvoy and Fox ahead of him I wouldn’t argue that but those 4 imo are clearly the 4 best dmen in the league.
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 2:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Dekes
i wouldn't even say he is number 2 anymore.

mcavoy and fox have both been then best 2way dominant dmen for the last 2 years now, hedman is starting to rely on PP now a little bit.

this season hedman was in the bottom 25% 5v5 defensively and he faced the bottom 46% quality of competition. yes he is still a good dman but even his 5v5 offence was in the bottom 48%. the only standout analytics he had were his finishing, G/60 and PP

i think he is becoming slightly overrated due to his name now, i actually have him as my number 5 dman and i think after this season their is a high chance, heiskanen/ slavin/ seider/ ekblad could rise above him


What are you basing these percentiles on? That doesn't seem accurate at all to me
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.
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What are you basing these percentiles on? That doesn't seem accurate at all to me


jfresh player cards search him up
Sep. 3, 2022 at 3:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Dekes
jfresh player cards search him up


Are you using outdated data? I don't pay for JFresh cards but you can get the raw data from here: TopDownHockey

Depending on what minimum TOI cutoffs you use, in the 2021-2022 season among D men he's approx in the 98th percentile in EV offense, 67th percentile in EV defense, 94th percentile in shooting, 63rd percentile in penalties, 86th percentile in PP, and 95th percentile in PK

Maybe you are using a 3 year weighted average? He had a down year in 20-21 but he's back to his elite self now
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Sep. 3, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
Are you using outdated data? I don't pay for JFresh cards but you can get the raw data from here: TopDownHockey

Depending on what minimum TOI cutoffs you use, in the 2021-2022 season among D men he's approx in the 98th percentile in EV offense, 67th percentile in EV defense, 94th percentile in shooting, 63rd percentile in penalties, 86th percentile in PP, and 95th percentile in PK

Maybe you are using a 3 year weighted average? He had a down year in 20-21 but he's back to his elite self now


oh maybe it could have been his 3 year weighted data, i aswell don't pay for it i just wait for them to get posted on twitter for free
Sep. 3, 2022 at 3:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Dekes
oh maybe it could have been his 3 year weighted data, i aswell don't pay for it i just wait for them to get posted on twitter for free


Hedman was quite literally the 3rd highest scoring defenseman at 5v5 last year. 5th if you look at the past 3 years. Your numbers are bunk.
Sep. 3, 2022 at 5:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I think they are just trying to say Makar is #1 barring none


Quoting: Xqb15a
See @ledge_and_dairy comment. Hedman is clearly the 2nd best dman in the league, but Makar is generational. No knock on him.


Quoting: Dekes
ya this is no knock on hedman but no one is on makar's tier right now


I'll respectfully COMPLETELY DISAGREE with y'all!!!!!!!!
Makar isn't nearly as good in his end or close to as physical!!
 
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