Detroit says they're not interested in helping you shed cap space, especially at a cost. I would also assume Seattle doesn't as well. Minnesota and Winnipeg may have interest, but not for a second rounder.

I'd rather keep Kerfoot than Rodrigues

I would too, the Leafs also want to keep Sandin and he's not gonna be cheap. They're gonna have to get rid of some players and downgrade a bit. Rodrigues got 43 points while Kerfoot got 51... not much of a downgrade tbf.

You are right. Not much of a down grade. Imo, Kerfoot is under rated. Peace.

I would too, but Rodrigues is a cheaper option, but then a 21 man roster won’t work

If that's Kerfoot's price Toronto doesn't really have a choice. No team is paying a 2nd. Most of the RFAs are signed and 8 teams have cap space for Kerfoot. Four of them are already eliminated from the playoffs. Seattle paid a 3rd and 4th for 4 years of Bjorkstrand, Lowered expectations might be in order.

The issue I have with Rodrigues is last year was a career year outlier...... not to say Kerfoot's can be seen the same way. However, Kerfoot in his sample size has shown the ability to be a 40 point guy, Rodrigues 25-30. Signing him to that contract, in my view, ties up money on the 3rd or 4th line (where I think he ends up). Now, at $1.5 million as a high point on a short term deal, yes. Overall, it is more than a slight downgrade..... which Rodrigues would the Leafs get? Not worth the risk.



He absolutely is, and has a legion of haters on CF. He plays a smart two way game. Just because he isn't an 80 point player, he is suddenly garbage without value.

It is safe to say the Leafs won't get market value for in lieu of the cap crunch, but when I see people suggesting he is worth a 3rd (or less) in a proper market, I just shake my head.

At the TDL, Kerfoot could fetch a late 1st or high end 2nd in my opinion. Why? Because he can play defense (despite what people think) and can produce offensively. Better than a 3rd line guy, but not someone I would call top 6 either. But for a team gunning for a Cup, landing a player that can do what Kerfoot can do (think a somewhat downgraded Lehkonen.....as he has the added physical element and better defensive play where Kerfoot is an offensive upgrade), that TDL package will be there.

Having said that, if Kerfoot waives for a non contender with the mindset of getting out of Dodge in March, that team who gives up said third (which is reasonable right now) ends up in a net gain..... or at least should given the Lehkonen deal.

Haters will hate.

Leafs aren't getting near that return if any for Kerfoot and Holl. Kinda silly to think Seattle would give up a 2nd and 7th for one year of Kerfoot, but UFA Rodriques signs long term for 2.25m.
Forget Rodriques...Steeves plays LW at 800,00, and then that gives the Leafs 1.4m for another player and a reasonable 22 man roster.

I get the logic and all but they took on Nick Leddy last year for a price from the Islanders who had to move Leddy as a cap casualty. No reason they wouldn’t do it for the Leafs for such a cheap price

Detroit traded for Leddy because they needed help on LD. No such help is now needed on D, Holl is a pure cap dump to Detroit.

Holl would be able to play games for Detroit and then be reflipped at the deadline for a higher price

There are a few reasons they won't do it:

1) Leddy > Holl

2) The Wings had literally zero defensemen of value, and traded Panik's contract with a second for Leddy to be a top4 mentor. Leddy was still a solid contributor, as proven by his re-signing this summer for 4 million for 4 more years (not sure why it was that much).

3) This season the Wings have Chiarot and Seider, Maata and Hronek in their top four. Walman/Lindstrom/Oesterle/Haag/Pysyk are all fighting for the 5-6 spots. Add in Edvinsson and Johansson possibly having an outside chance of making the big club creates chaos on the bottom pair. Even though its not a perfect top 6, Holl lumps into the logjam of 5-7 D. He either blocks the kids from getting a chance, or he loses value sitting up in the press box. Either way, it doesn't make sense.

4) Detroit isn't going to help Toronto (a division rival) who has stomped them the past few years get cap compliant by taking their most expendable and least important dman.

Detroit does not and will not ever want Holl, just stop.

And who of Seider, Hronek, or Lindström do you propose we waive and lose for nothing to make room for him?

I made the comment thinking Lindstrom was an LD, not an RD, my mistake

I understand if Holl takes a spot from the young d men, but all those young guys you mentioned were all Ld except for Lindstrom, and when I made the comment I thought he was an LD, not a RD. In a world where Lindstrom was an LD, than Holl would make a lot of sense to acquire for the 3RD role, as he is a lot better than any of those older guys you mentioned who play RD, and Holl would be flipped for more than what he would cost to get

Would love to hear your response to number 4.

In the list I mentioned above, if you were to include Holl, here would be the depth chart:

Seider
Chiarot
Hronek
Maata
Edvinsson(if he makes the team)
Lindstrom
Holl
Oesterle
Haag
Johansson(GR)

(Walman/pysyk IR)

SY could have made this or other trades before signing some/all of the D-men in free agency. Again, there are enough defensemen that spending an asset makes no sense.

I will counter:
DET receives: Holl, Niemela
TOR receives: Erne, Smith, 2025 4th

Going through old posts, this made me giggle