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Created by: mokumboi

Team: 2022-23 St. Louis Blues

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 5, 2022

Published: Sep. 5, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

I'm trying to see what everyone thinks about whether this is a feasible framework for a 3-way trade with NJ (who get Tarasenko and give Severson to VAN). And if it is, what finishing touches are needed? Who should add what to whom, and so forth?

Why? Coz suddenly I've been thinking Garland is the perfect guy to give ROR to C now that his best bud Frenchy is gone.

Any other questions, please direct them to our head of PR Maureen.

Trades

STL

VAN

Tarasenko, Vladimir

Additional Details:

Vova actually goes to NJ, who send Severson to VAN.

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$82,500,000	$74,955,833	$1,100,000	$165,000	$7,544,167

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 4	O'Reilly, Ryan $1,875,000$1,875,000 C UFA - 1	Kyrou, Jordan $2,800,000$2,800,000 RW UFA - 1
Barbashev, Ivan $2,250,000$2,250,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Thomas, Robert $2,800,000$2,800,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Buchnevich, Pavel $5,800,000$5,800,000 LW, RW, C M-NTC UFA - 3
Saad, Brandon $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW NTC UFA - 4	Schenn, Brayden $6,500,000$6,500,000 C, LW NTC UFA - 6	Neighbours, Jake $835,833$835,833 ($82,500$82K) LW, RW RFA - 3
Walker, Nathan $750,000$750,000 LW UFA - 1		Toropchenko, Alexey $750,000$750,000 LW, RW RFA - 1
	Acciari, Noel $1,250,000$1,250,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Leddy, Nick $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD NTC UFA - 4	Parayko, Colton $6,500,000$6,500,000 RD NTC UFA - 8	Binnington, Jordan $6,000,000$6,000,000 G NTC UFA - 5
Krug, Torey $6,500,000$6,500,000 LD NTC UFA - 5	Faulk, Justin $6,500,000$6,500,000 RD NTC UFA - 5	Hofer, Joel $795,000$795,000 ($82,500$82K) G RFA - 1
Perunovich, Scott $750,000$750,000 LD RFA - 1	Bortuzzo, Robert $950,000$950,000 RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Leivo, Josh $750,000$750,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Scandella, Marco $3,275,000$3,275,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2
Mikkola, Niko $1,900,000$1,900,000 LD UFA - 1
Brown, Logan $750,000$750,000 C, LW RFA - 1

Taxi Squad
Greiss, Thomas $1,250,000$1,250,000 ($125,000$125K$125,000$125K) ($250,000$250K) G UFA - 1

Sep. 5, 2022 at 11:13 p.m.

tstrauss16

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Do you think Tarasenko will be moved before the season?

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Sep. 5, 2022 at 11:18 p.m.

audiodave

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From Vancouvers perspective, we would want to know what it would take to extend Severson and probably wouldn't add Woo. Garland for Severson seems pretty fair if we can extend him.

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Sep. 5, 2022 at 11:31 p.m.

mokumboi

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Quoting: audiodave

From Vancouvers perspective, we would want to know what it would take to extend Severson and probably wouldn't add Woo. Garland for Severson seems pretty fair if we can extend him.

Presume Severson comes with a tidy extension. And I'm sure the Blues would be willing to throw VAN a mid prospect back for Woo, whom they clearly don't like for some reason.

Sep. 5, 2022 at 11:32 p.m.

mokumboi

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Quoting: tstrauss16

Do you think Tarasenko will be moved before the season?

No, but perhaps early-ish. One reason I have Hofer up, it's not necessarily meant for now.

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Sep. 5, 2022 at 11:52 p.m.

tstrauss16

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Quoting: mokumboi

No, but perhaps early-ish. One reason I have Hofer up, it's not necessarily meant for now.

I think the priority for an early season or late off-season trade is to free up room for Perunovich to hop into the lineup. No reason in keeping Scandella and Mikkola in the press box when Rosen and Kessel can come up when anyone gets hurt.

Sep. 6, 2022 at 12:24 a.m.

mokumboi

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Quoting: tstrauss16

Injuries happen. I think Army got spooked by having a D injury/illness crisis three straight playoffs. I kinda don't blame him. But yeah, one of those guys can probably go, which one might depend on if Mikko is ready to be consistent. Or on what we could get for him.

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Sep. 6, 2022 at 12:44 a.m.

MoSeider53

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Do people actually take the time to look at other teams cap space? Vancouver is already about $2,751,000 over the cap. Taking on Garland for Tarasenko isn't going to cut it.

Sep. 6, 2022 at 12:54 a.m.

mokumboi

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Do people actually take the time to look at other teams cap space? Vancouver is already about $2,751,000 over the cap. Taking on Garland for Tarasenko isn't going to cut it.

Dude, Tarasenko goes to NJ.

Sep. 6, 2022 at 1:19 a.m.

BoudreauFan

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Severson is an option, but is he really what Vancouver needs? I would wait until TDL to see the Canucks in action and look at Severson's analytics

Sep. 6, 2022 at 1:22 a.m.

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BoudreauFan

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Also, I read this article from 2020 about Severson. https://devilsarmynetwork.com/articles/damon-severson-elite/
Does this article's description of Severson still hold

Sep. 6, 2022 at 1:32 a.m.

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mokumboi

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Quoting: BoudreauFan

Severson is an option, but is he really what Vancouver needs? I would wait until TDL to see the Canucks in action and look at Severson's analytics

I've seen loads of Canucks AGMs trying to get Severson.

Sep. 6, 2022 at 3:42 a.m.

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BoudreauFan

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Quoting: mokumboi

I've seen loads of Canucks AGMs trying to get Severson.

Do you think Severson is good for Canucks

Sep. 6, 2022 at 3:49 a.m.

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mokumboi

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Quoting: BoudreauFan

Do you think Severson is good for Canucks

If they want to win, he is. They need an RD upgrade in the ranks.

Sep. 6, 2022 at 3:52 a.m.

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BoudreauFan

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Thanks so much. You are definitely right. I would be okay with the 3 way trade. I am not too high on Jett Woo but would prefer to ship Viktor Persson instead of Woo.

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Sep. 6, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.

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xercuses

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I like this (obviously VT my fav player so id hurt) but Woo might get stuck here like he does in VAN

Does Van go for it Maybe but i think they would then they wont have to trade Pearson

Sep. 6, 2022 at 3:42 p.m.

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mokumboi

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Quoting: xercuses

I like this (obviously VT my fav player so id hurt) but Woo might get stuck here like he does in VAN

Does Van go for it Maybe but i think they would then they wont have to trade Pearson

Woo can be groomed to take Bortz's spot in 24-25.

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Sep. 9, 2022 at 7:35 p.m.

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Woo doesn't interest me at all, I think the Blues have equal defensive prospects to him and I don't see him actually making the NHL regularly. Garland is intriguing, however with the JT Miller deal I think the Cancucks are wanting to make a run at the playoffs and losing Garland hurts them

Sep. 9, 2022 at 9:19 p.m.

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mokumboi

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Quoting: RClay321

1- We don't have an RD prospect of Woo's playing style (or an LD, for that matter). Unlike Vancounver apparently, I think the kid has the game to step in for Bortz after 23/24.

2- Yes, but Severson would help them. Gotta give to get.

Sep. 9, 2022 at 10:26 p.m.

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Quoting: mokumboi

Parayko and Faulk are both locked up long term, Kessel is better than Woo. Woo will not be a NHLer, not saying Kessel will, however he has a better shot than Woo

Sep. 9, 2022 at 11:04 p.m.

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mokumboi

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Quoting: RClay321

Parayko and Faulk are both locked up long term, Kessel is better than Woo. Woo will not be a NHLer, not saying Kessel will, however he has a better shot than Woo

Setting aside that I don't agree on Kessel being a better prospect than Woo, they are very different types of D-men. And I said he'd be there to groom for Bortuzzo's place. Faulk and Parayko are irrelevant.

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