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Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:10 a.m.
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I think this would be a good spot for rask. I just hope Talbot can hold up. That’s your only area of uncertainty, as I don’t trust forsberg yet.
Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:11 a.m.
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Quoting: The_Cannon
I think this would be a good spot for rask. I just hope Talbot can hold up. That’s your only area of uncertainty, as I don’t trust forsberg yet.


One of them at least will be fine . I think the offence will win them a lot of games.
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:29 a.m.
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I wonder if they end up shuffling the top 6 a bit so that you aren't running a 2nd line of all guys under 6'0. Though both Cat and Stutzle play a fairly physical game despite their size.

I certainly wouldn't play Rask over Gambrell, he's really not an upgrade

I also think Ottawa should go after Chychrun almost no matter what, Zaitsev is just complete dead weight and I don't think Ottawa's current d-core is strong enough to carry them into the playoffs
Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I wonder if they end up shuffling the top 6 a bit so that you aren't running a 2nd line of all guys under 6'0. Though both Cat and Stutzle play a fairly physical game despite their size.

I certainly wouldn't play Rask over Gambrell, he's really not an upgrade

I also think Ottawa should go after Chychrun almost no matter what, Zaitsev is just complete dead weight and I don't think Ottawa's current d-core is strong enough to carry them into the playoffs


Espn predicted point totals and the offence is gonna Carry. If those predictions hold true , Ottawa will make the playoffs even if the defence is a bit subpar. Dj smith also said we might see Giroux and Batherson switched eventually


Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:43 a.m.
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Espn predicted point totals and the offence is gonna Carry. If those predictions hold true , Ottawa will make the playoffs even if the defence is a bit subpar. Dj smith also said we might see Giroux and Batherson switched eventually




Maybe, IMO depends entirely on how Boston performs. I also don't agree with scoring more being a good base for making the playoffs. Winnipeg for example had 3 players pace 30+ goals and PLD get 28, as well as 7 players pace or get 50+ points. Meanwhile Dallas only had 2 players pace over 30 goals and only 4 players pace over 50 points (I guess you could argue Seguin too with his 49 points in 81 games). Defense is very important too and to me there it makes zero sense for Ottawa to ignore that issue
Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:47 a.m.
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Maybe, IMO depends entirely on how Boston performs. I also don't agree with scoring more being a good base for making the playoffs. Winnipeg for example had 3 players pace 30+ goals and PLD get 28, as well as 7 players pace or get 50+ points. Meanwhile Dallas only had 2 players pace over 30 goals and only 4 players pace over 50 points (I guess you could argue Seguin too with his 49 points in 81 games). Defense is very important too and to me there it makes zero sense for Ottawa to ignore that issue


I think the Winnipeg issue hasn’t been the talent . It’s been the chemistry and locker room and guys are just not playing as a team. They do have the talent to go far. Boston and Florida have weak spots the Sens can capitalize on
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:52 a.m.
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I think the Winnipeg issue hasn’t been the talent . It’s been the chemistry and locker room and guys are just not playing as a team. They do have the talent to go far. Boston and Florida have weak spots the Sens can capitalize on


Boston certainly is a team to question, but I don't think the Cats have so many holes they miss.

The 2nd team in the Sens target range probably is the Leafs. Blueline still lacks physicality and the goaltending as it sits takes the franchise back to the Bester/Wreggett days. Goaltending in Toronto is a major question mark, and if it fails, well...
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:54 a.m.
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Boston certainly is a team to question, but I don't think the Cats have so many holes they miss.

The 2nd team in the Sens target range probably is the Leafs. Blueline still lacks physicality and the goaltending as it sits takes the franchise back to the Bester/Wreggett days. Goaltending in Toronto is a major question mark, and if it fails, well...


I’m not saying the Sens are a powerhouse or anything like that but they have a decent shot to sneak in. I keep hearing how the top 4 teams in the atlantic have 0 chance of missing the playoffs but Tampa is the only one that I consider a lock .
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:58 a.m.
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I’m not saying the Sens are a powerhouse or anything like that but they have a decent shot to sneak in. I keep hearing how the top 4 teams in the atlantic have 0 chance of missing the playoffs but Tampa is the only one that I consider a lock .


Oh absolutely!

If they can land a decent RD that can play stay-at-home top 4 minutes...... they are dangerous. As it sits, the forward depth is there, the goaltending is stable. The defense remains a question mark - but because this team is 3 lines deep and should carry the play, it is not unreasonable to beleive that alone improves the defense - simply less time in their own zone.

I for one do not see Boston or Toronto right now as locks.

This Leafs fan is not liking the tending at all. He hopes he is wrong.
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 9:01 a.m.
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Oh absolutely!

If they can land a decent RD that can play stay-at-home top 4 minutes...... they are dangerous. As it sits, the forward depth is there, the goaltending is stable. The defense remains a question mark - but because this team is 3 lines deep and should carry the play, it is not unreasonable to beleive that alone improves the defense - simply less time in their own zone.

I for one do not see Boston or Toronto right now as locks.

This Leafs fan is not liking the tending at all. He hopes he is wrong.


Agreed . An improved offence will spend less time in the defensive zone . They’re definitely a much better possession team than they were last year. They finished 23rd in goals against last year and no reason they can’t finish 18 range this year . Top 10-15 offence and top 20 defence should get them at least close to a playoff spot
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 9:07 a.m.
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Agreed . An improved offence will spend less time in the defensive zone . They’re definitely a much better possession team than they were last year. They finished 23rd in goals against last year and no reason they can’t finish 18 range this year . Top 10-15 offence and top 20 defence should get them at least close to a playoff spot


I would say that is the objective. This team should be hanging around right until the end. A shrewd deal and look out, and this offseason showed us Dorion is pretty damn effective without owner interference (Treliving is the only one that had a better offseason imo)

23-24, Bernard-Docker and/or Thomson should make the right side look better, even with their relative inexperience.

I hate to admit it, but Melnyk's "years of unprecedented success" might actually happen.

Who knew? Lol.
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 10:01 a.m.
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I wonder if they end up shuffling the top 6 a bit so that you aren't running a 2nd line of all guys under 6'0. Though both Cat and Stutzle play a fairly physical game despite their size.

I certainly wouldn't play Rask over Gambrell, he's really not an upgrade

I also think Ottawa should go after Chychrun almost no matter what, Zaitsev is just complete dead weight and I don't think Ottawa's current d-core is strong enough to carry them into the playoffs


Splitting hairs but I believe Timmy is actually at least 6'1, despite being listed at 6ft. Also I really don't think it'll be an issue. Giroux has never struggled when things get nasty, Cat is tiny but he's not afraid to get engaged, and while strength has been a problem for Timmy early in his career he wasn't afraid of getting involved, and he's looking pretty puffed up after a summer of strength building. Sens finally have a bonafide top 6, I like the idea of having your three most skilled forwards be your 1st line, and to me those three are that.

Also Chychrun would be sick, but you don't get him at any price imo. If the price for him isn't reasonable you don't do yourself any favors by paying it anyway. That said Dumping Zaitsev IS a must, even more than adding a top 4 D
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 10:17 a.m.
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Agreed . An improved offence will spend less time in the defensive zone . They’re definitely a much better possession team than they were last year. They finished 23rd in goals against last year and no reason they can’t finish 18 range this year . Top 10-15 offence and top 20 defence should get them at least close to a playoff spot


I think TBL and Toronto are locks to make it. Buffalo, Detroit and Montreal won’t be in the race imo. Leaving Florida, Ottawa and Boston in the playoff hunt.

Boston will start the season banged up tho, so Ottawa and Florida both need to take advantage of that. At full strength I think Boston is the best team of the three.
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 10:23 a.m.
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I think TBL and Toronto are locks to make it. Buffalo, Detroit and Montreal won’t be in the race imo. Leaving Florida, Ottawa and Boston in the playoff hunt.

Boston will start the season banged up tho, so Ottawa and Florida both need to take advantage of that. At full strength I think Boston is the best team of the three.


Agree. When healthy, I prefer Boston to Florida . The problem is with the centre core and their ages but we’ll see. Isn’t Marchands injury significant tho? Like it’s hard to come back 100% from it permanently?
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 10:25 a.m.
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Agree. When healthy, I prefer Boston to Florida . The problem is with the centre core and their ages but we’ll see. Isn’t Marchands injury significant tho? Like it’s hard to come back 100% from it permanently?


He is having surgery on both of his hips. That being said I don’t bet against Brad Marchand. Dude has been playing through this for three years.
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 10:27 a.m.
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Agree. When healthy, I prefer Boston to Florida . The problem is with the centre core and their ages but we’ll see. Isn’t Marchands injury significant tho? Like it’s hard to come back 100% from it permanently?


I trust Boston’s goaltending more than any team in the Atlantic not named Tampa Bay. They have two quality starters tbh. If Boston had signed Danault instead of Foligno/Forbort in 2021 then we would be having a very different conversation about Boston.
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 11:34 a.m.
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Splitting hairs but I believe Timmy is actually at least 6'1, despite being listed at 6ft. Also I really don't think it'll be an issue. Giroux has never struggled when things get nasty, Cat is tiny but he's not afraid to get engaged, and while strength has been a problem for Timmy early in his career he wasn't afraid of getting involved, and he's looking pretty puffed up after a summer of strength building. Sens finally have a bonafide top 6, I like the idea of having your three most skilled forwards be your 1st line, and to me those three are that.

Also Chychrun would be sick, but you don't get him at any price imo. If the price for him isn't reasonable you don't do yourself any favors by paying it anyway. That said Dumping Zaitsev IS a must, even more than adding a top 4 D

I didn't say "any price" but I do think the concept of a prospect like Greig being "off limits" is just super unreasonable. Especially since right now he is more of a luxury than a team need (mind you that changes if Batherson and Formention loose their jobs but im working under the premise that they don't). He is a good prospect but people are acting like he is already a 70+ point player when he's only played a 7 pro level games.
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 3:36 p.m.
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I didn't say "any price" but I do think the concept of a prospect like Greig being "off limits" is just super unreasonable. Especially since right now he is more of a luxury than a team need (mind you that changes if Batherson and Formention loose their jobs but im working under the premise that they don't). He is a good prospect but people are acting like he is already a 70+ point player when he's only played a 7 pro level games.


I think there's definitely a situation where you can work a deal with Greig. But if the negotiations are already starting with two 1st round picks, at a certain point it just stops being viable. The Sens are actually in a position where you can move two 1st round picks (protected obviously) in a Chychrun deal and have it make sense. But for that to make sense you need to hang on to guys like Greig, who might not be a star, but definitely looks like he'll be able to come in and make a difference in the lineup while on an ELC. They now have the whole core (minus Cat) locked up long term, but it's going to be tight and they will lose room to afford guys like Formenton and Joseph as positive value depth guys. Having a Ridly Greig to stop the bleeding in that way only becomes MORE valuable, especially if you're gonna go three years without a 1st round pick to bring in Chychrun.
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