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Montreal Canadiens signed Kirby Dach (4 Years / $3,362,500 AAV)

Was this a good signing?
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 6:11 p.m.
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Quoting: SnakeDelilah
woof

yeah i don't like this deal at all


Cats don't woof
Sep. 7, 2022 at 6:38 p.m.
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I'm not sure he is worth this deal right now, could he be? Sure.
Sep. 7, 2022 at 6:49 p.m.
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it's amazing how many mid players that the habs have under contract


Lots of TD Fodder that they can sell high
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:09 p.m.
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Quoting: pinslack
that's all short term deals. 4 years after ELC is not common. Maybe Coyle as someone said

and half of this bunch already signed more lucrative contracts after their short bridge. So if Dach develops it can really be a bargain deal


Was MIN satisfied with that Coyle contract? wink

Only Thomas broke the bank. McCann and Bennett signed around 4.5M AAV. So basically Hughes comits to 4 years, overpays 1M on the first 2 years with the hope of saving 1M on the last 2 years. Not worth it.
Sep. 7, 2022 at 8:38 p.m.
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They're doing a complete rebuild..

Not really sure how trading a 21 YO former 3rd Overall pick makes sense, but I'm not gonna complain


That’s what I’m saying lol
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Sep. 7, 2022 at 11:26 p.m.
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I think he's done enough to be their 3-line centre, which is all he needs to do to justify the cost. Plus, he's still an RFA at the end, so the term is good as well.


He hasn't done anything to warrant this contract. If chicago wants you gone. You know it's not good
Sep. 8, 2022 at 12:57 a.m.
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Dach > KK
Sep. 8, 2022 at 1:21 a.m.
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Quoting: FloppyBiscuit
I'm not using the contract comparables tool, but I'd say Charlie Coyle getting $3.2M x 5 in 2014 coming off his ELC after putting up 35 Pts in 82 GP is pretty close to Dach getting $3.3625M x 4 after putting up 26 Pts in 70 GP.


The salary cap was also around 20 million less so coyles was a lot bigger actually if you go by %of salary cap
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Sep. 8, 2022 at 5:53 a.m.
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
He hasn't done anything to warrant this contract. If chicago wants you gone. You know it's not good


Chicago is trading anybody and everybody. Debrincat should've stayed, Hagel Should've stayed, and Dach should've stayed.
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Sep. 8, 2022 at 6:01 a.m.
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He hasn't done anything to warrant this contract. If chicago wants you gone. You know it's not good


Umm... Chicago is tanking harder than any team I've seen in a while.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 10:46 a.m.
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I voted yes.
The Habs believe in this player and his potential.
This contract demonstrates that.

I think for that reason alone, its a good deal until proven otherwise.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 4:26 p.m.
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Quoting: jpsnow13
Bennett 21y.o.63P/159G 2x2M
McCann 22y.o.53P/166G 2x2.25M
Lundestrom 22y.o. 44P/151G 2x1.8M
Chytil 21y.o. 71P/186G 2x2.3M
Thomas 21.y.o. 87P/169G 2x2.8M
Mittelstadt 22y.o. 61P/155G 3x2.5M

Dach 21y.o. 59P/152G 4x3.7M

Worst deal of the bunch for sure.


best player with most potential out of the bunch for sure*

need I remind you he was drafted 3rd overall? And it wasn't a KK-like surprise pick, he was guaranteed top five. If he realizes his potential, he'll blow the rest of the names you mentioned out of the water
Sep. 8, 2022 at 4:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Remus
best player with most potential out of the bunch for sure*

need I remind you he was drafted 3rd overall? And it wasn't a KK-like surprise pick, he was guaranteed top five. If he realizes his potential, he'll blow the rest of the names you mentioned out of the water


Ok, if you say so.

Bennet was drafted 4th and scored 28 goals last year. I highly doubt Dach could reach that mark.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 6:21 p.m.
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Quoting: jpsnow13
Ok, if you say so.

Bennet was drafted 4th and scored 28 goals last year. I highly doubt Dach could reach that mark.


Bennett is four years older than Dach. I have little doubt Dach will at the very least reach Bennett's point plateau of 50 by the time he's that age.
Sep. 9, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.
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How on Earth does Montreal give Dach this contract? He has done absolutely nothing to earn it. Of course, if he finally decides to start being a good player, it could look like a genius decision. Right now, it just looks dumb as hell.
Sep. 9, 2022 at 7:08 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
How on Earth does Montreal give Dach this contract? He has done absolutely nothing to earn it. Of course, if he finally decides to start being a good player, it could look like a genius decision. Right now, it just looks dumb as hell.


Paying for pure potential. Many teams have done it this offseason
Sep. 9, 2022 at 8:41 p.m.
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Paying for pure potential. Many teams have done it this offseason


Such as?
Sep. 9, 2022 at 10:12 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Such as?


There's literally 100's of signings where teams pay for Potential 2 or 3 years down the road
Sep. 9, 2022 at 10:23 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
There's literally 100's of signings where teams pay for Potential 2 or 3 years down the road


Cool, name me one. Somebody who has done as little as Dach, but signed for a similar deal.
Sep. 9, 2022 at 10:56 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Cool, name me one. Somebody who has done as little as Dach, but signed for a similar deal.


You know there's literally a tool on this website where you can do that?

Nick Roy
Elias Lindholm
Sep. 9, 2022 at 11:02 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
You know there's literally a tool on this website where you can do that?

Nick Roy
Elias Lindholm



There isn't, actually. And how were the Lindholm and Roy deals even remotely similar to Dach's?
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Sep. 9, 2022 at 11:09 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
There isn't, actually. And how were the Lindholm and Roy deals even remotely similar to Dach's?


Bro just do some research before replying. There's a tool that allows you to compare contracts. You have almost 15k posts on this website and you don't even know it's features? SMH
Sep. 9, 2022 at 11:40 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Bro just do some research before replying. There's a tool that allows you to compare contracts. You have almost 15k posts on this website and you don't even know it's features? SMH


Bro, neither of those player's you listed had any situation that was slightly comparable to Dach's. Roy's second deal was below 1M and his third was earned at 25. Lindholm has been underpaid for his performance on both his 2nd and 3rd deal, which again came much later than age 21.
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Sep. 9, 2022 at 11:58 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Bro, neither of those player's you listed had any situation that was slightly comparable to Dach's. Roy's second deal was below 1M and his third was earned at 25. Lindholm has been underpaid for his performance on both his 2nd and 3rd deal, which again came much later than age 21.


Roy at 25 had 59 points in 163 games. Very comparable to Dach's stats before he signed his 3m X 5
Lindholm's contract at 20 was 2.7m x 2 and he had 60 points in 139 games. Those are just 2 random contracts I picked to make a point. Literally go on the tool and look at them. It happens all of the time. I don't understand why you are arguing with me right now when you can prove yourself wrong with 3 clicks.
Sep. 10, 2022 at 1:27 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Roy at 25 had 59 points in 163 games. Very comparable to Dach's stats before he signed his 3m X 5
Lindholm's contract at 20 was 2.7m x 2 and he had 60 points in 139 games. Those are just 2 random contracts I picked to make a point. Literally go on the tool and look at them. It happens all of the time. I don't understand why you are arguing with me right now when you can prove yourself wrong with 3 clicks.



Before we even get to the player cases, let's be clear that there is no "paid too much too soon" filter on any search engine here. So I have no idea why you keep acting like that's a thing to be found here. Secondly, by reducing everything to just points per game, you're glossing over a whole lot that separates these cases. As for Roy, 1) he's a defensive center (and still coming off a season that was far better offensively than anything Dach has done) & 2) again, he's not 21. He has been a rink tilting player a few seasons now. And Lindholm had already had two .5 ppg seasons before his 2nd deal, which was half as short and 600K+ smaller than Dach's. So he was considerably better at that age and got considerably less of a deal. These are obviously not apt comparisons. At all.
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