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What I would love to see next year but not likely

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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 7, 2022
Published: Sep. 7, 2022
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        Sep. 7, 2022 at 12:22 p.m.
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        Oh nice a 1 round pick in multiple drafts from now and a prospect, that doesn’t get Gibson
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 12:29 p.m.
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        I really hope the Habs draft ConnEr Bedard!

        Quoting: GeneralLandro
        Oh nice a 1 round pick in multiple drafts from now and a prospect, that doesn’t get Gibson


        Just curious, what is Gibson worth you think?
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 12:32 p.m.
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        Quoting: Xspyrit
        I really hope the Habs draft ConnEr Bedard!


        Just curious, what is Gibson worth you think?


        Damn son, honestly I don’t know. NHL GMs are higher on him than CF as we have seen in their ranking or whatever the eh did a couple months back but I don’t know exactly what I think he is work

        I do not think we should trade him away for anything less than the Eichel return though if that’s what ends up happening
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 12:43 p.m.
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        Why would pastrnak sign with one of the worst teams in the league?
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 1:13 p.m.
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        Quoting: GeneralLandro
        Damn son, honestly I don’t know. NHL GMs are higher on him than CF as we have seen in their ranking or whatever the eh did a couple months back but I don’t know exactly what I think he is work

        I do not think we should trade him away for anything less than the Eichel return though if that’s what ends up happening


        ok but even Shester or Vasi wouldn't return anything close to the Eichel return... This is hockey, not football where QBs are worth a ton. Goalies are worth significantly less than skaters

        But totally understand if the Ducks don't want to trade him.
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 1:28 p.m.
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        To get Gibson

        2023 MTL 1st, top 3 protected*
        2024 MTL 2nd*
        Filip Mesar
        Justin Barron
        Jake Allen


        *If 2023 1st is top 3, shifts to 2024 MTL 1st, and 2024 2nd swaps to MTL 2023 2nd

        Or we will keep him.
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        Sep. 7, 2022 at 1:29 p.m.
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        Quoting: GiggywithGibby
        To get Gibson

        2023 MTL 1st, top 3 protected*
        2024 MTL 2nd*
        Filip Mesar
        Justin Barron
        Jake Allen


        *If 2023 1st is top 3, shifts to 2024 MTL 1st, and 2024 2nd swaps to MTL 2023 2nd

        Or we will keep him.


        Top 2 protected
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 1:34 p.m.
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        Quoting: Xspyrit

        But totally understand if the Ducks don't want to trade him.


        This trade is proposed for next summer, right? The issue about agreeing to that from the Ducks side right now is that there are too many questions about the crease for the 23/24 season if you trade Gibson. Stolarz is a UFA to be. Dostal is projected to be on the team but expecting him to be the starter or even a 1B option is foolish.

        Maybe Dostal plays like a stud this season. Maybe Verbeek re-ups Stolarz for a couple more seasons. Maybe Verbeek gets a guy in a TDL deal. There are lots of options that would make Gibson more available next summer but until we see something fall into place I don't see any way the Ducks would agree to a trade at this moment.

        As far as the return goes, I don't hate the value here but I'd expect the Ducks to be looking for more immediate term pieces. A 2024 pick not a 2025 pick. A young player that is NHL ready. That kind of thing because trading Gibson needs to primarily improve the NHL team. The Anaheim prospect pool is already in a good place.
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        Sep. 7, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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        Quoting: GiggywithGibby
        To get Gibson

        2023 MTL 1st, top 3 protected*
        2024 MTL 2nd*
        Filip Mesar
        Justin Barron
        Jake Allen


        *If 2023 1st is top 3, shifts to 2024 MTL 1st, and 2024 2nd swaps to MTL 2023 2nd

        Or we will keep him.


        That would be the highest priced trade in the last decade lol
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        Sep. 7, 2022 at 1:56 p.m.
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        Quoting: Xspyrit
        Just curious, what is Gibson worth you think?


        Gibson is significantly more valued by the Ducks than any other team solely because there isn't a replacement for him yet.

        But for the sake of the hypothetical, let's say that Lukas Dostal takes strides as a good replacement.

        For reference, Freddie Andersen got a 1st and a 2nd on an expiring contract, so the return starts there. I'd say 2 1sts and a 2nd seems adequate starting value for Gibson.

        But we also have to consider the strange goalie movement that's happened this off-season. What happens if Murray, Campbell, Georgiev, Brossoit, or a goalie of a contending team falters and Gibson regains his all-star form of early last season? I'd think his value would skyrocket.
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        Sep. 7, 2022 at 2:07 p.m.
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        Quoting: Subbanator7667
        That would be the highest priced trade in the last decade lol


        You're welcome to your opinion on his value, but the Ducks have no reason to move him. He is young, under contract for 5 more seasons, we like him, he wants to stay in Anaheim, and we don't have a replacement ready to take his place right now. We know the kind of play he can deliver when he feels the team is there with him, he showed it in the first half of last year and got an invite to the all star game as a result while Quick and Markstrom were both having fantastic years up to that point in the season.

        The only way we move him is for a kings ransom.
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 2:26 p.m.
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        Quoting: Subbanator7667
        That would be the highest priced trade in the last decade lol


        Just to turn the tables on a little bit, what do you think MTL would you have expected in a trade for Carey Price after the 17-18 season? Where he had a 3.11 GAA and .900 SV% with a $10 million cap hit?

        I think the only other serviceable goalies in the organization that time were Al Montoya and Charlie Lindgren.
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 2:29 p.m.
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        Quoting: BeefBouillon
        Just to turn the tables on a little bit, what do you think MTL would you have expected in a trade for Carey Price after the 17-18 season? Where he had a 3.11 GAA and .900 SV% with a $10 million cap hit?

        I think the only other serviceable goalies in the organization that time were Al Montoya and Charlie Lindgren.


        Gibson has never been on the same level as Price.
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 2:30 p.m.
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        Quoting: GiggywithGibby
        You're welcome to your opinion on his value, but the Ducks have no reason to move him. He is young, under contract for 5 more seasons, we like him, he wants to stay in Anaheim, and we don't have a replacement ready to take his place right now. We know the kind of play he can deliver when he feels the team is there with him, he showed it in the first half of last year and got an invite to the all star game as a result while Quick and Markstrom were both having fantastic years up to that point in the season.

        The only way we move him is for a kings ransom.


        I agree you shouldn't move him but the return you listed above is what a top 10 player in the entire league would be worth, not a goalie that has hovered between 5-10 at his position is worth.
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.
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        Quoting: Subbanator7667
        Gibson has never been on the same level as Price.


        They're not that incomparable. Price was the better goalie, but like Price, Gibson single handedly terrorized his division for years and dragged teams that shouldn't have been in contention to the playoffs. We never got all the pieces to fall into place like you did in the 2021 season cup run, but that season cost Weber his career, and there is the possibility that Price never plays again either due to the injuries he played through that season. Like Price, Gibson's stats have slumped since his team became uncompetitive, but like Price, when there is a true chance to win, he steps up and gets it done.

        So yeah, he may be budget model Price, but we also pay him budget model Price money.
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 2:42 p.m.
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        Quoting: Subbanator7667
        Gibson has never been on the same level as Price.


        I was just asking for the sake of getting a frame of reference from MTL fans. Because after 17-18 when Price had a 3.11 GAA and a .900 SV% with a $10 million cap hit, I would think MTL would've had to add assets to get rid of that contract.

        The reality is that Gibson has a 2.67 GAA and .915 SV% and Price has a 2.51 GAA and a .917 SV%.

        Saying they're "not the same level" is negligible, and shows how we each look at the players on our team through rose-colored homer glasses.
        Sep. 7, 2022 at 2:58 p.m.
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        Quoting: BeefBouillon
        I was just asking for the sake of getting a frame of reference from MTL fans. Because after 17-18 when Price had a 3.11 GAA and a .900 SV% with a $10 million cap hit, I would think MTL would've had to add assets to get rid of that contract.

        The reality is that Gibson has a 2.67 GAA and .915 SV% and Price has a 2.51 GAA and a .917 SV%.

        Saying they're "not the same level" is negligible, and shows how we each look at the players on our team through rose-colored homer glasses.


        Price hadn't suffered his knee injuries yet and had shown he could carry a team deep into the playoffs. He still had top tier status among the NHL at that time, Gibson has never had that status. Price wasn't worth his contract but teams definitely still thought he did.
        Sep. 8, 2022 at 2:26 a.m.
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        Quoting: Subbanator7667
        Price hadn't suffered his knee injuries yet and had shown he could carry a team deep into the playoffs. He still had top tier status among the NHL at that time, Gibson has never had that status. Price wasn't worth his contract but teams definitely still thought he did.


        Yes, he has, the west knows this. The east who basically never sees him play doesn't. Gibson has been a lifer on a small market team overshadowed by it's big brother 40 miles away. That would be like if Price was a lifetime Sens goalie and you asked a Kings fan about him. They wouldn't care, because no one follows the team. However, Montreal would know if Price has been on the Sens.

        Gibson not being on that level in your eyes is evidence of the optics difference between big and small market teams.
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