Byram

I've been curious. With the emergence of Byram would something around Mittelstadt and Bryson for Girard work? With whatever other picks/prospects need to be included to even out the values.

He had been handcuffed the past two seasons playing for Krueger and injured but still put up 16 goals and 41 pts.
Playing between Lehkonen and Rantanen he would get over 20 goals and 60 pts.
Let's hope he is not on the trading block but it would take an over pay, probably more than Sakic would want to pay.
Karmanos would probably accept Compher, J.T. and 2023 1st round pick (COL)

considering hes not a 2C, and really just basically Tyson Jost 2.0.

Avs dont offer a thing for him and just play Newhook

absolutely not

That’s something Colorado wouldn’t consider lol

He’s better than Jost if healthy. And tbh I’m not sure why Jost isn’t better than he is. Maybe he will figure it out tho.

Jost never had anything elite about his game, just good at a lot of things. If you dont have an top end NHL skill to translate...shot, skating, etc. Work effort can only get you so far.

Mittelstadt is the same, nothing is elite skill wise as part of his game. Lots of good like passing and vision....thats no different than Jost. And with how bad he is defensively, hes never going to be more than a role player in a bottom 6....hence Jost 2.0

Right now 2nd, but this is going to be his "show me" season their many prospects fighting for his job and at best so far he's just been a middle six guy.

Jost is a better skater and defensive player than Middlestadt.

Middlestadt is more like Strome or Hartman imo. He will be good if he plays with the right guy cause he has good hockey sense and can mass produce points at a clip Jost never did.

He has a solid wrist shot also that was unfortunately hampered by a wrist injury in game 1 of last season and required surgery. Last year was the only time he'd ever shot below 10%, and you could visibly see he wasn't getting it off with the same velocity and accuracy that he normally does.

jost had a 0.45ppg when he was put up in a role similar to what you are saying what would happen to Mittlestadt....eventually they fall back down to earth.
Mittlestadt has this idea of potential bc he was a high pick...hes coming on to 200 NHL games...its more likely this is what he is, vs him becoming some sort of top 6 2C.

Back to my main point...why would they hamper all this for Mittlestadt when they can just play Newhook at 2C who has shown flashes of greatness in a limited role on the avs. They already have their 2C to dream on internally.

Jost never got a fair shot imo. Also 200 NHL games played doesn’t mean ur a finished product lol

Agreed that their 2C is Newhook

trust me...Jost got more than his fair shot.

ANd no 200 nhl games doesnt mean its a finish product but you have a very good idea of who they are as a player, their ceilings and floors. Its very rare that someone just jumps up to another level or 2...it happens...Nichushkin is an example, however that is why 200 games is an actually threshold teams look at

I don’t like the comp either way. All I’m saying is Middlestadt is better than what he’s shown so far lol

Sure, he could be better...but right now the case for him being a top 6 talent is fading fast. Not trying to wish failure for the guy but hes a gamble for a rebuilding type team, not a defending cup champion roster

Mittlestadt sucks, why in the world would COL be interested in a dude with a career high 25 points who’s biggest question mark even back to when he was drafted was his skating. Hard hard hard hard pass.

Hell no, Mittlestadt has zero value to COL. Zero

I’d def trade for him if the price is right tho. I feel like the injuries have been a huge issue for him as well as his linemates. Also young centers sometimes take time. I’m saying he may be able to be an average 2C. That’s it.

its plausible, he could very much be a tweener type like JT compher as this middle 6C hybrid. I just cant see him really being a 2C until he really improves his defensive game. Teams can overlook poor defense if they are exceptional offensive production....he either would have to become that putting up 60+ point seasons or he will have to learn to play Defense, better than league average at a minimum and right now its very poor defensive metrics for him.

Thats why im skeptical of dreaming of him as a 2C after 200 games, its hard to imagine such a jump in offensive or defensive ability

I was comparing him to Strome/Hartman/Bennet. He’s a top six guy with the right partner.

I agree with everything you posted.
You have more faith in Mittelstadt then many Sabre ACGM's.
Right now it would be hard to expect expect any team to give even a second, that is why I would not trade him.
Playing with Thompson and Asplund over the final 22 games of the 2020-'21 season he put up 9 goals and 17 pts.
Combine that with his injury prone 2021-'22 season 40 games 6 goals and 19 pts he has 15 goals and 36 pts over his last 62 games.
Project that over 82 games and he could produce 20 goals 48 pts, I would expect more playing with Lehkonen and Rantanen.
Krueger buried his career, Granato resurrected him.

He played a lot of wing to close the year right?

Edit: I missed a lot that you covered so I cleared post.