The leafs are trying to win a cup. Even if that first round pick is good value, it wouldn’t make sense to get worse as the Matthews clock keeps ticking

You don’t get worse, you’ve gotten better by Adding the Cap Space to sign Milano who is WAY better than Kerfoot & adding him to the 2nd line with JT & Konecny makes that line alot more dangerous

Kerfoot isn’t worth a 5th. He’s worth a third IMO. Leafs are trying to win as well. Why trade Willy who is better than Travis

Philly isn't doing that, what an awful trade for them.

The only thing awful about it is the 1st but With Chuck Idk I feel like he’d be dumb enough

Yeah he does make some very questionable moves.

Chuck says he isn't in the mood to do you a favor. Nylander doesn't help Philly and there is no shot he would survive with Torts. Couple that with them being in worst cap h*** then Toronto, and TK makes 5.5 for 3 more years, as opposed to WN at 6.9 for 2. Also Philly will most likely be a lottery team, meaning their 1st round pick is way more valuable than a late 2023 third and most likely a late 2024 2nd.

The Risto Signing, The Deangelo Signing, Not Trading anyone to get Gaudreau, It’s a long list, Trading a 1st for Willy whilst giving up Konecny isn’t out of the question

Knowing Chuck He wouldn’t say that & goes through with it, Also You Have 0 Idea who Willy is, only what the media portrays not when he works his ass off almost every shift but the outliers he gets called out on, Also a 2nd & 3rd for a Guy who is worse then Willy & a 1st isn’t to crazy to the guy who gave Risto a new contract & gave Deangelo a 5 x2

I have every idea who Willy is. He is a supremely talented offensive monster that "when he chooses" can take games over. He is a perennial top 6 forward who can fill/fit on a top line or be a driver as a second line leader. "When he decides," he can be physical, "when he decides," he can back check and play 200ft. Issue for him is that "when he decides" is not all the time. Watch him play overseas at all? Right after criticism he was the best player on the ice and did everything....

Media isn't being biased, they call out what they see. If you make 6.9 M and you are in Toronto's market... you can't falter. Also if he was a bonafide every year all-star and crucial to helping the TML advance, he wouldn't be the scape goat. He wouldn't be the guy who everyone tries to send off for value either slightly above or below to help free up cap while staying competitive.

2023 potential top 10 pick far exceeds a late 2023 3rd and late 2024 2nd, and you know that. The difference between Willy and TK (multiple 20 goal scorer on a bad team) who has better team contract and good AAV does not equate to those picks when also considering the CAP SITUATION for not just Toronto, but Philadelphia as well.

Fair Points, what in your opinion would need to be added?, A pick swap?, a prospect not including Knies or Niemela?

It would be incredibly moronic for Philly to trade a 1st to swap to a player with less term when it's not even certain they will finish outside the bottom 10

The difference between nylander and konecny is significantly bigger than that

It’s Chuck Fletcher he signed Risto to an extension, Also what in your opinion would need to be added?, A pick swap?, a prospect not including Knies or Niemela?

Counterarguments like this are always dumb to me. Every GM makes stupid signings or trade so using one as an example to justify your own trade is silly.

I dont think there is a prospect to be added because the proposal is flawed from the start. Until Philly proves otherwise there is a very good chance that pick is top 10 in a very stacked draft. Outside of last season Konecny (25 w/ 3 years remaining) has only been a slight downgrade on Nylander (26 w/ 2 years remaining). So Philly is basically spending a major long term asset in the 1st for a slight upgrade in the short term. That is completely counterproductive.

A third team introduced to offset cap hits. I understand Toronto can waive a couple players to recover the gap they need to get compliant. Philly on the other hand is more over the cap than TML. I will also preface this by saying I don't think the Flyers/Torts would want Willy (hates flash)

TOR receives: Travis Konecny / Chychrun / TOR 2025 2nd
PHI receives: Nylander / Kerfoot / TOR 2024 1st / OTT 2023 3rd /
ARZ receives: JVR / Muzzin (assume he waives to golf) / Sandin / PHI 2023 1st / TOR 2023 1st

Toronto rids themselves of Muzzin contract 5.6M and trade valuable Nylander 6.9M along with Kerfoot 3.5M, and add TK 5.5M and JC 4.6M. TOTAL MONEY: 16.0M out bringing in 10.1M (NET GAIN of 5.9 million)
-Toronto sacrifices 2 first rounders that are late and a OTT 3rd for a chance to go after Stanley, also resolve Sandin issue. Here is to hoping Topi/Hiro/Knies are legit.

Philly rids themselves of JVR contract 7M and Konecny 5.5M. They bring in Nylander at 6.9M and Swiss tool Kerfoot at 3.5M. TOTAL MONEY: 12.5M out bringing in 10.4M (NET GAIN of 2.1M)
-Philly sacrifices a 1st round pick (potential lottery) but bring in a late 2023 1st. They also acquire two pieces that could be flipped at the deadline to re-aquire picks for rebuild if not seeing results Torts wants. They did get the short end of the stick a bit here but with Torts its tough to see their direction.

Arizona takes on Muzzin contract 5.6M and JVR 7M, while finally trading JC 4.6M. TOTAL MONEY: 4.6M out while brining in 12.6 (NET LOSS: 8M)
- Arizona replaces JC hopefully with Sandin. JVR deadline trade on retention. Muzzin LTIR or tries to pull a Nick Leddy from last season. Two first round picks come in with one being a potential lottery pick (giving them possibly 2 top 5 picks).

That was just off the top of my head, but it was kind of fun piecing together. I may make a TMGM with this to hammer out details. Again, this is not taking in to account Philly's or Arizona's point of view. This was leaned slightly towards TML for the purpose of talking about the Leafs with you.

Chuck wasn't willing to move the 2023 1st to sign Gaudreau, that's why that deal never happened.
He's not moving that first no matter what

Milano had like 5 points in the last 30 games of the year and he’s not great defensively either. He’s in fact WAY worse than Kerfoot. Also the gap between Nylander and Konecny is much wider than the gap between anyone you can sign with the 1.5 million in cap savings

Call chuck stupid and i would agree but he wont move that 2023 no matter what. I think if it was FLA's 2024 pick than you took out TOR 2nd it could work