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Hagel

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Team: 2022-23 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 13, 2022
Published: Sep. 13, 2022
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Hagel has struggled since coming to Tampa. Only 4 goals and 7 points in 22 games. He only had 2 goals during the entire playoffs, one was into an empty net. I know he was hurt in the playoffs, especially during the last two rounds. Hagel was initially on the same line as Paul and Colton. Hagel-Paul-Colton was the checking line that was sort of the "replacement" for the Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman line from the past two years. They were together in the 1st round, but Paul (I believe?) moved up when Point got hurt. Hagel eventually wounded up finding his way onto a line with Cirelli and Killorn. All 3 players struggled offensively in the playoffs. For much of the playoffs Hagel was playing the checking/shutdown line. He wasn't bad at that, but that's not the role we expect him to play. I honestly have a hard time seeing Hagel score more than 40 points. I think this trade was a backfire on Tampa. Raddysh/Katchouk were more fit for the checking/shutdown role. Honestly a Killorn-Cirelli-Raddysh line or a Katchouk-Cirelli-Killorn line would be fine. Having a speedy winger like Raddysh would definitely helped the Bolts in the finals as they just couldn't keep up with the Avs. At this point Katchouk could play the same role as Maroon, but he could be faster.
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  1. Katchouk, Boris
  2. Raddysh, Taylor
  3. 2023 1st round pick (TBL)
  4. 2024 1st round pick (TBL)
CHI
  1. Hagel, Brandon
  2. 2024 4th round pick (CHI)
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Sep. 13, 2022 at 3:12 a.m.
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Way too early to call the trade a backfire for Tampa. Hagel has had ~20 regular season games and one playoffs, in which he had little line consistency and played with a broken foot for half of it. Perhaps if Tampa uses him correctly this year, in a top 6 scoring line position rather than a 3rd line checking role, the kind of player he was in Chicago will be seen. 20 games is far from enough time to decide if a trade was a bust, and neither Katchouk nor Raddysh were anything special for Tampa. Raddysn has some potential if used correctly, something that Cooper was likely never to do, like it was for Marchassault and Verhaeghe in Tampa before him. The 1sts are what they are, but both should be very late, and while the '23 1st would likely be a very good prospect given it is a very deep draft, they still wouldn't have helped the big club until '24-'25 at best.

Brisebois may not have pulled the trigger on it had the cap been going up as normal, but with circumstances being what they are and knowing that at least one of Palat or Killorn was gone after this past season, getting a cost controlled asset with term was always going to be expensive. JBB felt acquiring Hagel gave them a better chance at a Cup in these next 2-3 seasons rather than 2 magic beans and 2 younger players that weren't really cutting it. Hagel did fine for the sub-optimal role he was asked to play, and Tampa came very close to the 3peat. I wish they could've kept Raddysh, just as I was frustrated when they let Verhaeghe walk as well. Cooper is very inflexible unfortunately when it comes to having younger but talented players crack the top 6 in favor of his "boys"(mainly speaking about Palat and Killorn here). Perhaps if either Verhaeghe or Raddysh would've had a more consistent chance in that kind of role, they'd still be with Tampa now, as they both showed flashes when they had the chance(of course whether that was because of who their linemates were or their own skill could be debated, although Verhaeghe has shown his talent with Florida).

I think that with the time Hagel has had, plus now healthy and with an offseason/training camp with the team, he will be far more effective player if given that top 6 role. Since Palat is gone, the spot is there for him next to Point and Kucherov, so hopefully Cooper doesn't make the mistake of saddling him on the checking line again. If he does, then yes, 40ish points is likely his ceiling and he'll be wasted. If he's given the chance in the top 6, I think he could definitely be a 55-60 point player, and if he meshes well with Point-Kuch(or Cirelli-Stamkos later if that's the plan), maybe more.
Sep. 13, 2022 at 3:49 a.m.
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Hagel was put in a bottom 6 role so tampa could attempt to beef up his defensive game.

Did you see tampa’s top 6 last year going into the playoffs? his role wasn’t to score lol. “he played on a checking line and wasn’t bad at that” yeah.. exactly. that IS why you got him. a slot freed up in the top 6 with palat leaving which is where hagel will probably end up taking a step up. saying the trade backfired on tampa this early would be blasphemy.
Sep. 13, 2022 at 6:06 a.m.
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This is just silly, I'm honestly not even sure you watched any games here and are just instead looking at score sheets. Hagel didn't score as much in that short stint but he has an incredible work ethic and motor. It takes time to get used to a new team and build chemistry. He's not a super star player that can just fit in anywhere with anyone. He's a strong middle 6 player with good potential to be a top 6 player down the line.
Sep. 13, 2022 at 6:20 a.m.
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Neither Raddysh nor Katchouk were likely making any difference against the Avs. Tampa didn't lose the series because of not having them. Colorado was the best team this year, although Tampa not having Point, having Cirelli and Kuch far less than 100%, plus several other guys playing with injuries that probably keep them out if not for it being the SCF or simply disappearing in the playoffs had alot to do with it. Tampa had also played through one of the tougher gauntlets in the East, while Colorado faced two out of three teams that were, hmm how to put this, fortunate to be there. Even with all that, Tampa came within two goals of potentially winning that series, so I don't see Raddysh or Katchouk as being difference makers at all. Perhaps if Killorn had cared to do literally anything offensively, the result may have been different. Of course they then kept him over Palat while also trading McD for scraps, but that's a whole other discussion.
Sep. 13, 2022 at 6:35 a.m.
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Edited Sep. 13, 2022 at 6:41 a.m.
You're correct this trade is going to go down as JBB s worst Raddysh is going to be as good or better . TB didn't use him in a proper role . His numbers in Chicago after the trade were as good as Hagels in Chicago and Hagel the previous year in Chicago put the same numbers up Raddysh was putting up in TB. Hagel was scoring at a completely unsustainable 21% shooting percentage getting feed from Kane and Debrincat. Over F***ing payment of the Century.
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Sep. 13, 2022 at 7:52 a.m.
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It's all about opportunities given. Now that Palat is gone Hagel should get a chance to prove himself. Is the trade a lot? Yeah it's a ton to CHI. Hagel is the faster and harder working player vs Raddysh, but Raddysh will be given an opportunity in CHI that was NEVER going to be given to him in TBL.
Sep. 13, 2022 at 8:12 a.m.
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Will be interesting cause it sounds like Raddysh and Katchouk sound like they may be two of the players very involved in the team canada world juniors fiasco.... maybe TB knew something CHI didnt.
Sep. 13, 2022 at 10:33 a.m.
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Well Tampa reached the Cup finals with Hagel. We'll see how Hagel does with better ice time now that Palat has left. Even 23/24, when Killorn might be gone too. The trade was based on Hagel being a very cost efficient 1.5m winger
Sep. 13, 2022 at 3:59 p.m.
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At least most of the posters in this thread realize that Hagel wasn't asked to be in a prime scoring role given what Tampa had in their top 6 last year. Now the opportunity is there, so Hagel should get a great chance to excel in a top 6 role. Hopefully they'll move Killorn to the 3rd line sooner rather than later(once Cirelli retirns from ltir) so the top 2 lines can really thrive. Killorn-Cirelli-Stamkos has been a dud offensively far too often, so maybe having the top 6 be Hagel-Point-Kuch and Colton-Cirelli-Stamkos(or swap Hagel and Colton) will be more dynamic. Killorn can play with Paul and Names on line 3, which still provides the team a 3rd line with two solid 2 way players and some scoring ability. Again, way too early to call the trade either way.
Sep. 13, 2022 at 9:56 p.m.
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My lines to start the season:
Stamkos Point Kuch
Hagel Paul Killorn
Namestnikov Colton ABB
Maroon Bellmare Perry
My lines when Cirelli is back
Stamkos Point Kuch
Hagel Cirelli Killorn
Colton Paul Namestnikov
Maroon Bellmare Perry
Sep. 14, 2022 at 7:21 a.m.
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I guess a moron on here isn't smart enough to realize Hagel got more of an opportunity to play with Kucherov and Point than Raddysh did. Chicago played Raddysh with Kane and low and behold his numbers were on the same pace playing with them as Hagels were . Maybe it was just about getting the opportunity to play with top line guys ,but hey tell yourself whatever narrative that makes you feel smarter.
Sep. 14, 2022 at 11:13 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Well Tampa reached the Cup finals with Hagel. We'll see how Hagel does with better ice time now that Palat has left. Even 23/24, when Killorn might be gone too. The trade was based on Hagel being a very cost efficient 1.5m winger


Raddysh and Katchouk in that same time cost a combined $12,666 more so inexpensive is a delusion and they'd have 2 firsts instead of 2 fourths. Again in both first NHL seasons their numbers were almost identical, and again when put in the same role were again almost identical. But sure keep telling yourselves this was good .
Sep. 14, 2022 at 3:57 p.m.
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It's all about opportunities given. Now that Palat is gone Hagel should get a chance to prove himself. Is the trade a lot? Yeah it's a ton to CHI. Hagel is the faster and harder working player vs Raddysh, but Raddysh will be given an opportunity in CHI that was NEVER going to be given to him in TBL.


Then that is really bad coaching and player evaluation
Sep. 14, 2022 at 8:00 p.m.
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Then that is really bad coaching and player evaluation


Well Hagel played the Hawks #1LW before he was traded. TRad hasn't ever shown that he can do that at the NHL level. He certainly wasn't going to the chance with TBL either. At least Hagels shown at some point that he's done it. Was it a fluke? I don't think so, but it was certainly at lot trade away.
Sep. 14, 2022 at 9:56 p.m.
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Well Hagel played the Hawks #1LW before he was traded. TRad hasn't ever shown that he can do that at the NHL level. He certainly wasn't going to the chance with TBL either. At least Hagels shown at some point that he's done it. Was it a fluke? I don't think so, but it was certainly at lot trade away.

He had not played a full year in the league. His numbers playing with Kane in Chicago were on the same point pace as Hagel his season his rookie year had almost identical production as Hagel his rookie year last year . Horrific trade not that I think he's a bad player but I believe the trade just as good of on whose salary was basically 1/2 over the same time. Plus at worst a 4th liner and 2 firsts for 2 fourths .
 
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