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where dubas went wrong

Created by: DirtyDangle
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 18, 2022
Published: Sep. 18, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Description
leafs could have been a dynasty
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Sandin, Rasmus2$1,800,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
marner, mitch3$9,250,000
matthews, austin5$11,640,250
Trades
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TOR
  1. Kadri, Nazem
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should have kept kadri. clearly kadri was just the scapegoat. this team didn't makie it out of the 1st round 3 years after trading kadri.
CGY
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
2.
TOR
    never should have taken a shortcut by signing jt. build from within
    NYI
    1. Tavares, John
    3.
    TOR
    1. Hyman, Zach
    EDM
      the exact type of guy the leafs need
      4.
      TOR
        not worth qualifying at 2.25m
        EDM
        1. Engvall, Pierre
        5.
        TOR
          league min player
          EDM
          1. Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
          6.
          TOR
          1. Björnfot, Tobias
          2. Durzi, Sean
          3. Grundström, Carl
          LAK
          1. Muzzin, Jake
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          overpaid for muzzin
          7.
          TOR
          1. Tomasino, Philip
          NSH
          1. Björnfot, Tobias
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          drafted the local kid instead of bjornfot
          8.
          TOR
            questionable goalie with questionable health.

            even if you wanted to roll the dice on murray dubas should have got more retention instead of mid/late picks.
            NSH
            1. Murray, Matt
            2. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
            3. 2024 7th round pick (OTT)
            9.
            TOR
              overpaid on his contract. should be making rantanen money.
              NSH
              1. Marner, Mitchell
              10.
              TOR
                overpaid should be an 8 year contract for that money
                NSH
                1. Matthews, Auston
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                ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
                22$82,500,000$72,559,283$212,500$212,500$9,940,717
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                Bunting, Michael
                $950,000
                LW
                UFA - 1
                matthews, austin
                $11,640,250
                marner, mitch
                $9,250,000
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                Hyman, Zach
                $5,500,000
                RW, LW
                NMC
                UFA - 6
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                Kadri, Nazem
                $7,000,000
                C
                NMC
                UFA - 7
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                Nylander, William
                $6,962,366
                RW, LW
                UFA - 2
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                Järnkrok, Calle
                $2,100,000
                LW, RW
                M-NTC
                UFA - 4
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                Kämpf, David
                $1,500,000
                C
                UFA - 1
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                Tomasino, Philip
                $863,333
                RW, C
                RFA - 2
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                Grundström, Carl
                $1,300,000
                LW, RW
                RFA - 2
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                Steeves, Alex
                $834,167
                LW, RW
                RFA - 2
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                Simmonds, Wayne
                $900,000
                RW, LW
                M-NTC
                UFA - 1
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                Robertson, Nicholas
                $796,667
                LW
                RFA - 2
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                Anderson, Joey
                $750,000
                RW
                RFA - 1
                Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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                Rielly, Morgan
                $7,500,000
                LD
                NMC
                UFA - 8
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                Brodie, TJ
                $5,000,000
                LD/RD
                NTC
                UFA - 2
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                Samsonov, Ilya
                $1,800,000
                G
                RFA - 1
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                Giordano, Mark
                $800,000
                LD
                UFA - 2
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                Durzi, Sean
                $1,700,000
                LD/RD
                RFA - 2
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                Sandin, Rasmus
                $1,800,000
                LD
                RFA - 2
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                Liljegren, Timothy
                $1,400,000
                RD
                RFA - 2
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                Holl, Justin
                $2,000,000
                RD
                M-NTC
                UFA - 1

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                Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:32 a.m.
                #26
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                then sign him at the cheaper cap hit for 5 years.


                So every player just takes whatever you give good luck with that.
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:37 a.m.
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                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                So every player just takes whatever you give good luck with that.


                or just hold firm at market value
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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                Edited Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                or just hold firm at market value


                Good luck when he sits out. You only have so much leverage.,but your underpricing the market. 111 g in 212 games the 3 previous seasons. Good luck getting in to sign cheaper.
                You seem to think this is like the Esposito era Ownership says you get this and that's it GLWT
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.
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                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                Good luck when he sits out. You only have so much leverage


                matthews has even less. his only option is sit and lose money or play in europe/khl for 1/5th of the pay.
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.
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                Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
                Day 1 on the job and Dubas screwed himself by signing J.T. , everything done after that signing was a cause and effect domino tumble.

                Dubas is the most over rated GM.


                Yeah, shoulda hired hunter, i hear he's doing great things in the nhl
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                or just hold firm at market value


                Market value for Matthews at 8 years was over 13 million. 11 for 5 was market value for him
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                Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:48 a.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                matthews has even less. his only option is sit and lose money or play in europe/khl for 1/5th of the pay.


                Or sign an OS
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:51 a.m.
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                Quoting: JaredOfLondon
                Market value for Matthews at 8 years was over 13 million. 11 for 5 was market value for him


                lol no
                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                Or sign an OS


                no one would waste their time os matthews.
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 11:53 a.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                lol no


                no one would waste their time os matthews.


                Lol, yes. Just because a lot of people who say dubas sucks every way they can say otherwise doesnt mean it's right.
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 12:12 p.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                lol no


                no one would waste their time os matthews.


                Really no one would have tried to sign a top 5 goal scorer? 🙄 You're comments make you seem extremely clueless!!!
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 12:14 p.m.
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                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                Really no one would have tried to sign a top 5 goal scorer? 🙄 You're comments make you seem extremely clueless!!!


                leafs would match. no one was gonna waste their time with that os

                not top 5 either. at the time he was 17th in goal scoring
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 12:43 p.m.
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                The Only Thing Worser Then The Trades Is Your Spelling.
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                Sep. 18, 2022 at 1:08 p.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                leafs would match. no one was gonna waste their time with that os

                not top 5 either. at the time he was 17th in goal scoring


                Again as I said 5th in goals the previous 3 seasons

                Alex Ovechkin 133 Nikita Kucherov 120 Connor McDavid and John Taveras 112 Austin Mathews 111. Clueless
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 1:13 p.m.
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                Quoting: LushKolton
                The Only Thing Worser Then The Trades Is Your Spelling.


                The only thing worse then his spelling is that AGM you made 30 minutes ago
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                Sep. 18, 2022 at 1:32 p.m.
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                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                Again as I said 5th in goals the previous 3 seasons

                Alex Ovechkin 133 Nikita Kucherov 120 Connor McDavid and John Taveras 112 Austin Mathews 111. Clueless


                every single player in the top 10 in that list earns less than matthews except mcdavid and that's with mcdavid signing up for 8 years not matthews 5 years.

                you can try and spin it any way you want but it was a bad contract and people knew it at the time.

                https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/197732
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 2:12 p.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                every single player in the top 10 in that list earns less than matthews except mcdavid and that's with mcdavid signing up for 8 years not matthews 5 years.

                you can try and spin it any way you want but it was a bad contract and people knew it at the time.

                https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/197732


                He was also the youngest guy on that list and was clearly getting better. Better to pay for the 20's than 30's
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 2:20 p.m.
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                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                He was also the youngest guy on that list and was clearly getting better. Better to pay for the 20's than 30's


                leafs are gonna have to pay for both if they want to keep matthews
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 2:24 p.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                every single player in the top 10 in that list earns less than matthews except mcdavid and that's with mcdavid signing up for 8 years not matthews 5 years.

                you can try and spin it any way you want but it was a bad contract and people knew it at the time.

                https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/197732


                Are you seriously trying to tell me he hasn't performed to his contract?
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.
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                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                Are you seriously trying to tell me he hasn't performed to his contract?


                did you read the thread
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 2:43 p.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                did you read the thread


                obviously...so, he should have signed for less when he's lived up to or I might argue exceeded his contract, and this makes sense to you?!!! Because it makes none to me.
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 2:54 p.m.
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                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                obviously...so, he should have signed for less when he's lived up to or I might argue exceeded his contract, and this makes sense to you?!!! Because it makes none to me.


                he was overpaid at the time of the signing. just read the thread
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                he was overpaid at the time of the signing. just read the thread

                It was about 50/50 so what people on the internet didn't like it
                I did and disagree
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 3:10 p.m.
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                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                It was about 50/50 so what people on the internet didn't like it
                I did and disagree


                50/50? its 1/3 for 2/3 against and that's with the large leafs bias factored in.
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 3:19 p.m.
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                Quoting: DirtyDangle
                50/50? its 1/3 for 2/3 against and that's with the large leafs bias factored in.


                Again he's lived up to it . It wasn't an overpay you and they are WRONG players don't just have to take what ownership wants to give them. Arbitration would have killed Toronto
                Sep. 18, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.
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                Quoting: Boltsradynasty
                Again he's lived up to it . It wasn't an overpay you and they are WRONG players don't just have to take what ownership wants to give them


                his contract doesn't have the value his peers contracts have. it's hurting the leafs. the leafs could easily be under the cap right now with a full roster if dubas negotiated better.
                 
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