full UFA TDL sell

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Created by: Tintin

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 19, 2022

Published: Sep. 19, 2022

Team: 2022-23 New Jersey Devils

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bulju for McLeod and Bastian added cus there's this one Oilers fan that post it once per day

Canucks trade is basically obligatory when making a NJD agm at this point

I don't rate the Blues current LHD, but i did the trade before considering the possibility of Perunovich growing into a 2nd pairing role which doesn't seem too unlikely to me.
if Graves isn't a fit for the Blues I'm sure someone will let me know, value does seem fair for a top4 LHD at 1.6m however.

Tatar at 2.25m for a playoff berth seems to be worth a mid rd pick to me, would canes be a candidate to take him at TDL?

Johnsson would be a decent low cost buy for the Kraken (or any team really) if they were in the WC races and in need for some additional forward depth

I love Robertsson, a lot of Leafs fans on here seem to love Wood.
lets make this happen

haula for a 3rd seems reasonable, Jets didn't seem like the worst destination for him either

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Hughes, Luke		3	$950,000

Trades

NJD

Garland, Conor

VAN

Severson, Damon

NJD

2023 1st round pick (STL)

STL

Graves, Ryan ($1,583,333 retained)
2023 4th round pick (NJD)

NJD

Puljujärvi, Jesse

EDM

Bastian, Nathan
Mcleod, Michael
2024 2nd round pick (NJD)

NJD

2023 3rd round pick (PHI)

CAR

Tatar, Tomas ($2,250,000 retained)

NJD

Robertson, Nicholas

TOR

Wood, Miles ($1,600,000 retained)

NJD

2023 4th round pick (SEA)

SEA

Johnsson, Andreas

NJD

2023 3rd round pick (WPG)

WPG

Haula, Erik

Buyouts

Cory Schneider: $2,000,000
Janne Kuokkanen: $200,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Ryan Graves: $1,583,333 (50%)
Tomas Tatar: $2,250,000 (50%)
Miles Wood: $1,600,000 (50%)

Recapture Fees

Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000

DRAFT YEAR	ROUND 1	ROUND 2	ROUND 3	ROUND 4	ROUND 5	ROUND 6	ROUND 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$78,982,459	$0	$1,382,500	$3,517,541

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Holtz, Alexander $894,167 RW, LW RFA - 3	Hughes, Jack $8,000,000 C UFA - 8	Palat, Ondrej $6,000,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 5
Sharangovich, Yegor $2,000,000 LW, RW, C RFA - 1	Hischier, Nico $7,250,000 C UFA - 5	Bratt, Jesper $5,450,000 RW, LW RFA - 1
Garland, Conor $4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 4	Mercer, Dawson $894,167 RW, C RFA - 2	Puljujärvi, Jesse $3,000,000 RW RFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas $796,667 LW RFA - 2	Boqvist, Jesper $874,125 C, LW, RW RFA - 1	Zetterlund, Fabian $750,000 RW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Siegenthaler, Jonas $1,125,000 LD UFA - 1	Hamilton, Dougie $9,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 6	Vanecek, Vitek $3,400,000 G UFA - 3
Hughes, Luke $950,000 LD/RD RFA	Marino, John $4,400,000 RD UFA - 5	Blackwood, Mackenzie $2,800,000 G RFA - 1
Smith, Brendan $1,100,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Walsh, Reilly $925,000 RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Thompson, Tyce $762,500 RW RFA - 2	Bernier, Jonathan $4,125,000 G UFA - 1
Foote, Nolan $863,333 LW RFA - 2
Okhotiuk, Nikita $789,167 LD RFA - 2

Taxi Squad
Clarke, Graeme $850,833 ($0) RW, C RFA - 2
Dugan, Jack $750,000 ($0) LW UFA - 1
Nemec, Simon $950,000 ($0) RD RFA - 3
Bahl, Kevin $795,000 ($0) LD RFA - 1
Vilén, Topias $859,167 ($0) LD RFA - 3
Mukhamadullin, Shakir $894,167 ($0) LD RFA - 3

Sep. 19, 2022 at 5:33 a.m.

theleano1

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Canucks pass we aren't trading a top 6 forward for a rental

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Sep. 19, 2022 at 5:50 a.m.

SupremeBone

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There are likely some that disagree, but I do it from EDM's POV.

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Sep. 19, 2022 at 6:28 a.m.

TheTypicalLeafsFan

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Leafs pass

Sep. 19, 2022 at 7:25 a.m.

evelutions2

Lets Get Kraken

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If the Canes hasn’t signed Stastny, I think they would have Gina after Tatar half retained. The only problem is when Patches gets back, Tatar would be forced to play on the 4th line. Necas is already looking like he will get dropped to the 4th line when Patches comes back, so that would essentially make Tatar one of 2 things. 1) he is Kase insurance, or 2) he is the 13th/14th forward. If the Canes make any moves at the deadline outside of their big reacquisition of Patches, it would probably be to get a depth goalie for a playoff run. They already have their depth options for forwards in Stepan and Pederson, and on defense it would be Chatfield and Bear, since Coghlan will more than likely be the mainstay 3RD. So acquiring Tatar is a bit pointless for the Canes to do.

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Sep. 19, 2022 at 8:37 a.m.

Erkadurk347

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The value of players is not the same as a few years ago. These guys with high caps and one year left are worth negative value. This is a flat cap world, and it’s way harder to trade players now

Sep. 19, 2022 at 8:52 a.m.

CD282

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Quoting: SupremeBone

There are likely some that disagree, but I do it from EDM's POV.

I wouldn't. It nets Edmonton some cap space but two bottom of the roster types is a pretty piss poor return.

Sep. 19, 2022 at 8:52 a.m.

NHLfan10506

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VAN - Fine with it, although I like the pieces from Ottawa too (for Severson swap)
STL - Made more sense if they had not extended Leddy. My guess of Graves possible destinations: Florida, Los Angeles (maybe Colorado if they more Girard)
EDM - Alright, sign me up. But if Oilers are buying at deadline, might it be more futures-oriented deal? This looks like off-season swap.
CAR - If Tatar gets a 3rd, I'm down. It would more likely be an older prospect or later pick. (Maybe Bok, who loses waiver exemption next year)
TOR - Wood's value is very, very low right now. He would have to return to 100% health and 2020 form to get this return.
SEA - Done (but I think Johnsson finishes year here)
WPG - Would be surprised if Jets are buying rentals. I suppose they could be if everything falls into line.

Will attempt my own UFA TDL scenario. See what you think.

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Sep. 19, 2022 at 9:02 a.m.

dickie_boon

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blues have all of krug leddy perunovich and mikkola on the left side so no but not bad valuewise makes more sense for another team

Sep. 19, 2022 at 9:05 a.m.

SupremeBone

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Quoting: CD282

I wouldn't. It nets Edmonton some cap space but two bottom of the roster types is a pretty piss poor return.

Cap space that avoids us having to pay to move cap, a 2nd round pick which could net another Kulak through the year, and two young, quality bottom-6 fowards isn't a poor return. That is, unless you're either very high on Puljujarvi or don't value what McLeod and Bastian showed last year (a combination of size, speed, FOs, physicality, and decent scoring in a very defensively-focused role). I think we've been over this a number of times, though, so there's no sense beating the dead horse.

Sep. 19, 2022 at 9:42 a.m.

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mokumboi

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Yeah, the Blues already have LDs falling out of their ears and no cap.

Sep. 19, 2022 at 10:16 a.m.

#11

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: Erkadurk347

The value of players is not the same as a few years ago. These guys with high caps and one year left are worth negative value. This is a flat cap world, and it’s way harder to trade players now

Players in their final year rarely have negative value. Maybe during Summer before....or if they are dead weight (ie, Richard Panik, John Moore)

But "negative" hits are mostly from how many off-seasons a team has to endure with that player on roster. Pending UFAs who would still be on 23-man rosters should be negative.

Besides, Tatar at $2.25 million, Wood at $1.6 million?
Those numbers are easily to absorb at deadline when only 20% of the season remains.
I would say about 28 or 29 teams would be able to fit those hits at deadline.

Sep. 19, 2022 at 10:18 a.m.

#12

Erkadurk347

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Wood doesn’t have negative value. Tatar and Johnsson do imo. They would’ve moved one of those two by now if it didn’t cost anything

Sep. 19, 2022 at 10:27 a.m.

#13

Babatunde

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Leafs easily accept

Sep. 19, 2022 at 10:59 a.m.

#14

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: Erkadurk347

Wood doesn’t have negative value. Tatar and Johnsson do imo. They would’ve moved one of those two by now if it didn’t cost anything

Devils haven’t needed the cap space, and both are In final years. So no reason to pay to move them.

Besides, pending UFAs rarely have negative value. First, one year of cap is easy to manage. Second, if you are adding a big number, it’s likely via trade and you can always ship salary back. Third, that cap is off the books when next round of contracts are due in July.

There have been a bunch of cap dump trades in recent years. But all of them had contracts whose term spanned at least one free agency period (most were multi-year).

So while Johnsson and Tatar may not get many offers because they are so-so players, they would not be dumped with assets. They just wouldn’t be traded.

Sep. 19, 2022 at 11:20 a.m.

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uphere

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Quoting: theleano1

Canucks pass we aren't trading a top 6 forward for a rental

The Canucks would be missing a rather good opportunity, but clearly they would struggle to come up with enough cap space for both Horvat and Severson next season, as well as Petterson the following year. Unfortunate for them.

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