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If we are going to be sellers at the 2023 trade deadline

Created by: sensonfire
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 19, 2022
Published: Sep. 19, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Team Explanation
Any pending UFA with trade value gets traded except for Artem Zub.


Zub signs for 4.5 million x 7, sort of like Nikita Zaitsev in 2017.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Formenton, Alex4$2,950,000
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. Griffith, Seth
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Holden, Nick
Additional Details:
Two comparables used for this trade as precedent:


1. The Nick Holden trade between the Boston Bruins and New York Rangers on February 20th, 2018


2. The Brett Kulak trade between the Edmonton Oilers and the Montreal Canadiens on March 21st, 2022
2.
OTT
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (COL)
NYR
  1. Hamonic, Travis ($1,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Two comparables used for this trade as precedent:


1. The Travis Hamonic trade between the Ottawa Senators and the Vancouver Canucks on March 20th, 2022


2. The Justin Braun trade between the New York Rangers and the Philadelphia Flyers on March 21st, 2022
3.
OTT
  1. 2023 4th round pick (TOR)
NSH
  1. Watson, Austin
Additional Details:
Two comparables used for this trade as precedent:


1. The Austin Watson trade between the Nashville Predators and the Ottawa Senators on October 10th, 2020


2. The Mathieu Olivier trade between the Nashville Predators and the Columbus Blue Jackets on June 30th, 2022
4.
OTT
  1. 2024 4th round pick (CHI)
TBL
  1. Motte, Tyler ($675,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Two comparables used for this trade as precedent:


1. The Nick Paul trade between the Ottawa Senators and the Tampa Bay Lightning on March 20th, 2022


2. The Tyler Motte trade between the Vancouver Canucks and the New York Rangers on March 21st, 2022
5.
OTT
  1. Stolarz, Anthony
ANA
  1. Talbot, Cam
Additional Details:
Two comparables used for this trade as precedent:


1. The Cam Talbot-Anthony Stolarz trade between the Edmonton Oilers and the Philadelphia Flyers on February 16th, 2019


2. The Cam Talbot trade between the Ottawa Senators and the Minnesota Wild on July 12th, 2022
6.
OTT
  1. Barber, Riley
DAL
  1. Lucchini, Jacob
Additional Details:
One comparable used for this trade as precedent:


1. The Jacob Lucchini-Riley Barber trade between the Montreal Canadiens and the Pittsburgh Penguins on February 20th, 2020
7.
OTT
  1. Meloche, Nicolas
CGY
  1. Bibeau, Antoine
Additional Details:
One comparable used for this trade as precedent:


1. The Antoine Bibeau-Nicolas Meloche trade between the Colorado Avalanche and the San Jose Sharks on September 27th, 2019
8.
OTT
  1. Byron, Paul ($1,700,000 retained)
Additional Details:
One comparable used for this trade as precedent:


1. The Victor Rask trade between the Minnesota Wild and Seattle Kraken on March 21st, 2022


Trade is only made if it is the day of the trade deadline and Ottawa is expected to miss the playoffs.
MTL
    Future Considerations
    Buyouts
    • Bobby Ryan: $1,833,333
    • Colin White: $875,000
    • Michael Del Zotto: $500,000
    • Dion Phaneuf: $354,167
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Travis Hamonic: $1,500,000 (50%)
    • Tyler Motte: $675,000 (50%)
    • Matt Murray: $1,562,500 (25%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2023
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    2024
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    2025
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$82,500,000$76,289,881$0$4,025,000$6,210,119

    Roster

    Left WingCenterRight Wing
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    Tkachuk, Brady
    $8,205,714
    LW, C
    UFA - 6
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    Norris, Joshua
    $7,950,000
    C
    UFA - 8
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    Batherson, Drake
    $4,975,000
    RW
    UFA - 5
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    DeBrincat, Alex
    $6,400,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
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    Stützle, Tim
    $925,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
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    Giroux, Claude
    $6,500,000
    RW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the OTT
    Formenton, Alex
    $2,950,000
    LW
    RFA
    Logo of the OTT
    Pinto, Shane
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 1
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    Joseph, Mathieu
    $2,950,000
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 4
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    Kelly, Parker
    $762,500
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
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    Gambrell, Dylan
    $950,000
    C
    RFA - 1
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    Byron, Paul
    $1,700,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    Chabot, Thomas
    $8,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 6
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    Zaitsev, Nikita
    $4,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the OTT
    Forsberg, Anton
    $2,750,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the OTT
    Sanderson, Jake
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
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    Zub, Artem
    $2,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
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    Stolarz, Anthony
    $950,000
    G
    UFA - 1
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    Brännström, Erik
    $900,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
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    Meloche, Nicolas
    $950,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    Kastelic, Mark
    $821,667
    C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the OTT
    Sabourin, Scott
    $750,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the OTT
    Larsson, Jacob
    $750,000
    LD
    RFA - 1

    Special Teams

    Power Play 1
    DeBrincat, A.
    Stützle, T.
    Norris, J.
    Chabot, T.
    Giroux, C.
    Power Play 2
    Batherson, D.
    Tkachuk, B.
    Joseph, M.
    Brännström, E.
    Pinto, S.
    Penalty Kill 1
    Formenton, A.
    Joseph, M.
    Sanderson, J.
    Zub, A.
    Penalty Kill 2
    Kelly, P.
    Gambrell, D.
    Meloche, N.
    Zaitsev, N.

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    Sep. 19 at 6:16 p.m.
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    Edited Sep. 19 at 6:22 p.m.
    Talbot just demanded a trade out of Minnesota because he wasn't going to be the clear cut starter in front of MAF, why on earth would he come here to be stuck behind Gibson, and why would ANA give up one of the best backups in the league last year for a 35 year old starting goalie we wont be resigning? If we trade Stolarz, it will be for something the Ducks need, and that is not a 35 year old goalie.

    Maybe retain on Talbot and swap him to Toronto for Samsonov in a cap neutral swap.
    Sep. 19 at 6:22 p.m.
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    NSH isn't trading for Watson
    Sep. 19 at 6:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    Talbot just demanded a trade out of Minnesota because he wasn't going to be the clear cut starter in front of MAF, why on earth would he come here to be stuck behind Gibson, and why would ANA give up one of the best backups in the league last year for a 35 year old starting goalie we wont be resigning?


    1. Stolarz is "stuck" behind Gibson.


    2. You probably won't re-sign Stolarz either.


    3. You'll need to stay above the cap floor when you move out Klingberg/Shattenkirk/Kulikov at the 2023 trade deadline.


    4. This exact trade happened before.
    Sep. 19 at 6:23 p.m.
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    Unless Hamonic has a stellar season (which is possible, but not probable) there's no way someone is gonna pay a 3rd from him. You'll be luck to get a 4th or 5th...
    Sep. 19 at 6:26 p.m.
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    Quoting: villenash
    NSH isn't trading for Watson


    1. Former 1st round pick and Stanley Cup finalist with Nashville.


    2. He's maintained his sobriety since coming to Ottawa


    3. If you want to make the playoffs, you'll need to add depth.
    Sep. 19 at 6:27 p.m.
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    1. Former 1st round pick and Stanley Cup finalist with Nashville.


    2. He's maintained his sobriety since coming to Ottawa


    3. If you want to make the playoffs, you'll need to add depth.


    None of that makes it so NSH wants Watson back
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    Sep. 19 at 6:31 p.m.
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    Quoting: VilleKoho
    Unless Hamonic has a stellar season (which is possible, but not probable) there's no way someone is gonna pay a 3rd from him. You'll be luck to get a 4th or 5th...


    1. Hamonic did not have a stellar season for the Islanders, but Calgary spent the 12th overall pick + two seconds on him anyway.


    2. Ottawa recently paid a 3rd for him.


    3. Getting a draft pick for Hamonic at the deadline isn't exactly far-fetched.
    Sep. 19 at 6:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: villenash
    None of that makes it so NSH wants Watson back


    To each his own.
    Sep. 19 at 6:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    1. Stolarz is "stuck" behind Gibson.


    2. You probably won't re-sign Stolarz either.


    3. You'll need to stay above the cap floor when you move out Klingberg/Shattenkirk/Kulikov at the 2023 trade deadline.


    4. This exact trade happened before.


    1: Yes, he is our backup, and our future starter is in the AHL
    2: We might depending on our defenses development, to prevent Dostal from getting shelled as he enters the league.
    3: We will be taking cap back on the deals when we ship guys out, otherwise the teams we are trading those guys to will not have the cap space to make the deal work.
    4: Flyers made that trade because they wanted a veteran to work with Hart who already knew him, and Stolarz was considered expendable (fears of loosing him to waivers, health concerns, etc) Anaheim has no such need to train Dostal.
    Sep. 19 at 6:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    1: Yes, he is our backup, and our future starter is in the AHL
    2: We might depending on our defenses development, to prevent Dostal from getting shelled as he enters the league.
    3: We will be taking cap back on the deals when we ship guys out, otherwise the teams we are trading those guys to will not have the cap space to make the deal work.
    4: Flyers made that trade because they wanted a veteran to work with Hart who already knew him, and Stolarz was considered expendable (fears of loosing him to waivers, health concerns, etc) Anaheim has no such need to train Dostal.


    1/2/4. I have a feeling you're a little too optimistic on Dostal because goalies are very unpredictable when it comes to NHL success.


    3. Teams that are playoff bound would likely rather keep the roster players they currently have instead of give them up, especially if they have guys on LTIR.
    Sep. 19 at 7:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: GiggywithGibby
    Talbot just demanded a trade out of Minnesota because he wasn't going to be the clear cut starter in front of MAF, why on earth would he come here to be stuck behind Gibson, and why would ANA give up one of the best backups in the league last year for a 35 year old starting goalie we wont be resigning? If we trade Stolarz, it will be for something the Ducks need, and that is not a 35 year old goalie.

    Maybe retain on Talbot and swap him to Toronto for Samsonov in a cap neutral swap.


    1. Stolarz doesn't have much trade value if any.

    2. Pierre Dorion's phone number would get blocked by Kyle Dubas if that happened.
    Sep. 19 at 7:12 p.m.
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    1/2/4. I have a feeling you're a little too optimistic on Dostal because goalies are very unpredictable when it comes to NHL success.


    3. Teams that are playoff bound would likely rather keep the roster players they currently have instead of give them up, especially if they have guys on LTIR.


    Then that would be even more reason to hang onto Stolarz and not trade him for Talbot. We like him and he plays well for us, and the only thing we are getting out of the deal is taking on 2.4 mil in cap. If Talbot only had a league minimum salary and the rest of it was signing bonus which had already been paid it might have a shot at working, but the trade you are presenting has zero benefit over hanging onto Stolarz and signing some random UFA for the remainder of the season for cap reasons.
    Sep. 19 at 7:53 p.m.
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    1. Former 1st round pick and Stanley Cup finalist with Nashville.


    2. He's maintained his sobriety since coming to Ottawa


    3. If you want to make the playoffs, you'll need to add depth.


    what?

    He is an overpayed 4th liner. It doesnt matter if he's sober now, we let him go for a reason.

    Our depth is fine. Zach Sanford can do what he does for cheaper on the 4th line.

    And for a 4th round pick? Yeah... okay
     
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