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Hischier

Created by: Richard88
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 22, 2022
Published: Sep. 22, 2022
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Newhook, Alex2$3,500,000
Meyers, Ben2$2,000,000
Maltsev, Mikhail1$900,000
Byram, Bowen3$5,000,000
Ranta, Sampo1$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Johnson, Erik1$1,000,000
Blidh, Anton1$800,000
Trades
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  1. Hischier, Nico
NJD
  1. Rantanen, Mikko
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$83,369,167$0$0$130,833
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Landeskog, Gabriel
$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6
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MacKinnon, Nathan
$12,600,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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Nichushkin, Valeri
$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
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Newhook, Alex
$3,500,000
C, LW
RFA
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Hischier, Nico
$7,250,000
C
UFA - 4
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Lehkonen, Artturi
$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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Ranta, Sampo
$1,000,000
LW
RFA
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Meyers, Ben
$2,000,000
LW, C
RFA
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Olausson, Oskar
$894,167
RW
RFA - 2
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Blidh, Anton
$800,000
LW, RW
UFA
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Maltsev, Mikhail
$900,000
C, LW
RFA
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O'Connor, Logan
$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Toews, Devon
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Makar, Cale
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
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Georgiev, Alexandar
$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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Girard, Samuel
$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
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Manson, Josh
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Francouz, Pavel
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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Byram, Bowen
$5,000,000
LD
RFA
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Johnson, Erik
$1,000,000
RD
UFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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MacDermid, Kurtis
$987,500
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 1
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Hunt, Brad
$762,500
LD
UFA - 1

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Sep. 22 at 11:27 a.m.
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Devils aren't trading their captain
Sep. 22 at 11:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Devils aren't trading their captain


to turn down hischier for rantanen would be silly captain or not
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Sep. 22 at 11:29 a.m.
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Was expecting byram/newhook tbh
Sep. 22 at 11:34 a.m.
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wasnt expecting that
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Sep. 22 at 11:39 a.m.
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Rantanen is arguably a top 15 player in the league, Hischier might not be a top 15 C, COL isn’t doing that without NJ adding a lot.
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Sep. 22 at 11:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Devils aren't trading their captain


If COL were dumb enough to do that NJ would be even more foolish to turn it down. Rantanen is career ppg player even better in the playoffs, only 2 yrs older than Hischier who has 1 60 pt season. They aren’t remotely in the same category of players.
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Sep. 22 at 11:53 a.m.
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As nice as it would be to have Rantanen on Devils, NJ isn't trading Nico for Mikko.
2 years of the winger vs possible entire career for young center.
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Sep. 22 at 12:02 p.m.
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As nice as it would be to have Rantanen on Devils, NJ isn't trading Nico for Mikko.
2 years of the winger vs possible entire career for young center.


bro no way your rejecting this
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Sep. 22 at 12:04 p.m.
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bro no way your rejecting this


Bro, Hischier's #13 will hang in rafters some day. No way we are trading him.
Sep. 22 at 12:04 p.m.
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wasnt expecting that


I was convinced this was going to be another Sam Girard trade.
Sep. 22 at 12:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Xqb15a
Rantanen is arguably a top 15 player in the league, Hischier might not be a top 15 C, COL isn’t doing that without NJ adding a lot.


I can't imagine Col trading Rantanen but if they did want to do this trade they aren't getting anything significant on top of Hischer, they will be overpaying for a prime position and the player with term.
Sep. 22 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
As nice as it would be to have Rantanen on Devils, NJ isn't trading Nico for Mikko.
2 years of the winger vs possible entire career for young center.


It's 2 years Vs 4 years. Not 2 years Vs an entire career.
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Sep. 22 at 12:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Xqb15a
If COL were dumb enough to do that NJ would be even more foolish to turn it down. Rantanen is career ppg player even better in the playoffs, only 2 yrs older than Hischier who has 1 60 pt season. They aren’t remotely in the same category of players.


It's about solving 2C long-term. Also note that the $2m cap difference allows you to keep Toews and re-sign him when the cap rises in 2024.

Btw not saying I would do this trade. Just an idea to think about. One way or another Avs need to lose a good player due to the cap in 2023.
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Sep. 22 at 12:17 p.m.
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Avs won't trade Mikko. If they discover that Newhook can't handle 2C, they'll either make Rantanen a permanent 2C or trade for a lesser player (along the lines of the nauseating amount of Dvorak and Bennett proposals we've seen, some of which I'm guilty of).
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Sep. 22 at 12:18 p.m.
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Yep on paper it appears Rantanen is the superior player. But he has been surrounded by superior players. I can't see him being a 90 point player in Jersey,,,,,maybe not an 80 point player.
Gotta think Jersey keeps their centre, who is cheaper and has two more years of control.
But if the trade goes through....maybe Hischier gets Kadri numbesr.....80 or 90 points, and Rantanen gets 80 in Jersey. Doesn't look good for Jersey at all.
Sep. 22 at 12:21 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Yep on paper it appears Rantanen is the superior player. But he has been surrounded by superior players. I can't see him being a 90 point player in Jersey,,,,,maybe not an 80 point player.
Gotta think Jersey keeps their centre, who is cheaper and has two more years of control.
But if the trade goes through....maybe Hischier gets Kadri numbesr.....80 or 90 points, and Rantanen gets 80 in Jersey. Doesn't look good for Jersey at all.


Rantanen would feast playing next to Hughes. He's long disproven the idea that he's a product of MacKinnon, as his production doesn't drop away from MacKinnon (quite the opposite in fact).
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Sep. 22 at 12:23 p.m.
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Rantanen would feast playing next to Hughes. He's long disproven the idea that he's a product of MacKinnon, as his production doesn't drop away from MacKinnon (quite the opposite in fact).


The Devils really don't a offensive centre except for Hughes if Hiroschier is traded. The only offensive line the Devils would have would get points but be swarmed defensively nightly.
Sep. 22 at 12:50 p.m.
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It's 2 years Vs 4 years. Not 2 years Vs an entire career.


Hischier is the leader of this team. I would be very surprised if Hischier goes anywhere for decade.

Keeping him is best route for us.
Sep. 22 at 12:55 p.m.
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It's about solving 2C long-term. Also note that the $2m cap difference allows you to keep Toews and re-sign him when the cap rises in 2024.

Btw not saying I would do this trade. Just an idea to think about. One way or another Avs need to lose a good player due to the cap in 2023.


Mercer, Sharangovich, Haula, Boqvist, Macleod? We have centers to spare…but Jack and Nico are our foundation. If we move one of them, the whole thing crumbles.
Sep. 22 at 1:55 p.m.
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I can't imagine Col trading Rantanen but if they did want to do this trade they aren't getting anything significant on top of Hischer, they will be overpaying for a prime position and the player with term.

That’s entirely not true. Rantanen is SIGNIFICANTLY better, he is one of the unique wingers that can drive play, contracts don’t matter when guys like him get traded it’s about value. The value gets met if some piece needs to be added one way or the other to make the cap work it’s done then, but make no mistake no team in the league is trading Rantanen for Hischier straight up not without something significant being included because his contract and position don’t matter because he isn’t even remotely in the same tier.
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Sep. 22 at 2:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Richard88
It's about solving 2C long-term. Also note that the $2m cap difference allows you to keep Toews and re-sign him when the cap rises in 2024.

Btw not saying I would do this trade. Just an idea to think about. One way or another Avs need to lose a good player due to the cap in 2023.


Who cares. I’ll take Rantanen and whatever Newhook produces all day everyday of the week over Hischer, Newhook and the cap space. Rantanen is a guy that is truly elite, arguably in the top 15-20 players in the league, you don’t give one rats ass about anything else except having one of those guys you go cheap everywhere in the bottom 6 the d outside of Makar and Byram. Pay your best players and figure out the rest, I’m not trading an elite guy so I can feel better about the depth chart.
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Sep. 22 at 2:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Xqb15a
That’s entirely not true. Rantanen is SIGNIFICANTLY better, he is one of the unique wingers that can drive play, contracts don’t matter when guys like him get traded it’s about value. The value gets met if some piece needs to be added one way or the other to make the cap work it’s done then, but make no mistake no team in the league is trading Rantanen for Hischier straight up not without something significant being included because his contract and position don’t matter because he isn’t even remotely in the same tier.


If Colorado is approaching NJ with the trade, they are going to get the short end of the stick or NJ will just decline. There needs to be a benefit in it for them, which is getting the better player. Hischer is a 1C, so that does matter and still a star even if he's not a superstar like Rantanen. Rantanen has 2 years less in term vs Hischer, that matters for NJ because there's the associated risk. Both players are young and have room to grow, but Hischer is the younger, cheaper player with the long-term and plays the most important position. NJ doesn't have a replacement for him in terms of skillset either.

So, it makes no sense for them to give Hischier+ a 1st for Rantanen alone for example. Perhaps something like Hischer+Holtz for Rantanen+Newhook, but any time a superstar is being traded their's a high chance that teams don't give full value if he's not an RFA, locked, or play a prime position.
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Sep. 22 at 4:28 p.m.
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If Colorado is approaching NJ with the trade, they are going to get the short end of the stick or NJ will just decline. There needs to be a benefit in it for them, which is getting the better player. Hischer is a 1C, so that does matter and still a star even if he's not a superstar like Rantanen. Rantanen has 2 years less in term vs Hischer, that matters for NJ because there's the associated risk. Both players are young and have room to grow, but Hischer is the younger, cheaper player with the long-term and plays the most important position. NJ doesn't have a replacement for him in terms of skillset either.

So, it makes no sense for them to give Hischier+ a 1st for Rantanen alone for example. Perhaps something like Hischer+Holtz for Rantanen+Newhook, but any time a superstar is being traded their's a high chance that teams don't give full value if he's not an RFA, locked, or play a prime position.


COL isn’t, wouldn’t, whatever your choice of negative. COL isn’t initiating a trade saying hey Hischier for Rantanen. That’s so much nonsense about superstars, you’re conflating superstars with good players. Rantanen is a superstar, he is truly elite. Those kinds of players (the top 15, top 20 players in the league) have an entirely different set of rules.
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Sep. 22 at 9:51 p.m.
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yeah so I trade for Zegras and it gets deleted, but trading for Hischier is fine. CF L
Sep. 23 at 7:59 a.m.
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yeah so I trade for Zegras and it gets deleted, but trading for Hischier is fine. CF L


What did you trade for Zegras?...
 
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