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If Kane wants out at the deadline

Created by: Caniac2000
Team: 2022-23 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 23, 2022
Published: Sep. 23, 2022
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Include anything else in the Kane deal that isn't on the roster or Morrow/Trikizov/Kochetkov
Free Agent Signings
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Kane, Patrick
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    Retain the other 25% of Kane
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    Sep. 23, 2022 at 4:58 a.m.
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    I didn't realize you actually made your own ACGM's, thought you just commented on other peoples.

    Nevertheless, good luck getting a 2nd for Bear, but that Kane package might get her done if there isn't a huge bidding war
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 7:36 a.m.
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    Chicago declines as none of that moves the needle for Chicago. A late first and a couple of B/B+ prospects is beaten by other teams unless Kane is only willing to waive for Carolina which is probably unlikely. A late 1st and a very good prospect is going to be needed is my guess....not A+ prospect but A-/A levl
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    Sep. 23, 2022 at 10:37 a.m.
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    Kane wants to be a star in a star-market. No chance he waives for any irrelevant team.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.
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    I think you gotta change one of those prospects to Scott Morrow (or someone further up the ladder) to get the Hawks to bite.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    I think you gotta change one of those prospects to Scott Morrow (or someone further up the ladder) to get the Hawks to bite.


    Considering Morrow is breaking UMass records set by Cale Makar, any idea of him for a rental are going to result in Chicago pounding the sand of Lake Michigan. As I said in the description, if they want more, anything not named Morrow, Trikizov, or Kochetkov is likely on the table. Even Trikizov is only because they just drafted him.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.
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    Quoting: DarcyTucker
    Kane wants to be a star in a star-market. No chance he waives for any irrelevant team.


    So he's not waiving for Toronto, but that has nothing to do with this ACGM
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    Sep. 23, 2022 at 11:11 a.m.
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    Considering Morrow is breaking UMass records set by Cale Makar, any idea of him for a rental are going to result in Chicago pounding the sand of Lake Michigan. As I said in the description, if they want more, anything not named Morrow, Trikizov, or Kochetkov is likely on the table. Even Trikizov is only because they just drafted him.


    I don't think you get Kane, then. Remember, we're talking about a guy who put up 92 points on an aggressively tanking team last season, and could reasonably be expected to at least keep up that production on a real team with real players. What you're offering is gonna be easily beat by any other team that might be in on the Kane sweepstakes - the shine is coming off Suzuki, since he can't really stay healthy and hasn't exactly lit the AHL on fire when he's been on the ice. And while Gunler looks like he'll be a solid middle-6 player eventually, no one really thinks he's got it in him to be much above that in terms of production.

    Kane is a star and deserves that package coming back, especially once you factor in that Chicago will also be retaining $5.25M on him. You're giving up a pair of B prospects, a late 1st, and a forward that you need to move to be cap compliant to get him - I just don't see a world where this doesn't get beaten by someone else. If you're going to mark guys that haven't spent a second on NHL ice as "untouchable", you're always going to be working from a position where you're trying to convince other GMs to accept quantity over quality, which more often than not isn't getting you anywhere.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 11:11 a.m.
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    Bear isn't the right fit for Ottawa, unless they'd really believe in him

    They want an established RD, big and good defensively

    Quoting: DarcyTucker
    Kane wants to be a star in a star-market. No chance he waives for any irrelevant team.


    Did you just say that the Hurricanes were an irrelevant team?

    And people wonder why everyone hates Leafs fans tears of joy
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 11:24 a.m.
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    Bear isn't the right fit for Ottawa, unless they'd really believe in him

    They want an established RD, big and good defensively



    Did you just say that the Hurricanes were an irrelevant team?

    And people wonder why everyone hates Leafs fans tears of joy


    Of course a fan of another irrelevant team would say that. Too bad, it is known that Kane likes to be in the spotlight. He's waiving for the likes of NYR, LA, Boston, etc,. Not freaking Carolina who is consistently living off other teams' profits. They're a glorified Arizona, but with competent management.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 11:39 a.m.
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    I don't think you get Kane, then. Remember, we're talking about a guy who put up 92 points on an aggressively tanking team last season, and could reasonably be expected to at least keep up that production on a real team with real players. What you're offering is gonna be easily beat by any other team that might be in on the Kane sweepstakes - the shine is coming off Suzuki, since he can't really stay healthy and hasn't exactly lit the AHL on fire when he's been on the ice. And while Gunler looks like he'll be a solid middle-6 player eventually, no one really thinks he's got it in him to be much above that in terms of production.

    Kane is a star and deserves that package coming back, especially once you factor in that Chicago will also be retaining $5.25M on him. You're giving up a pair of B prospects, a late 1st, and a forward that you need to move to be cap compliant to get him - I just don't see a world where this doesn't get beaten by someone else. If you're going to mark guys that haven't spent a second on NHL ice as "untouchable", you're always going to be working from a position where you're trying to convince other GMs to accept quantity over quality, which more often than not isn't getting you anywhere.


    That's great. Kane is also a rental and he's 34. This isn't someone like Tkachuk where you're building for the future and you're keeping him for another decade. That isn't the case here. You're not going to get a guy that is breaking the records of the reigning Norris winner in college for a 34-year-old rental. Kane may be a point-per-game winger again this year, it doesn't change that. Especially considering that Kane has a no-move. He'd get control of his destination. It's not like he can be shipped off to New York for Barzal (assuming the Isles stink again). Anything including prospects of that caliber or young roster players should be beyond the limit. This is a 34-year-old rental. Yes, perhaps the best rental we've seen ever. Future hall of Famer, but this isn't prime Patty Kane and he's been slowing down. He's not going to get 100 points again. Chicago has to retain to get anything for him because no contending team is going to have 10.5 mil to splash on a 34-year-old rental. If Carolina is going to take that on, I wouldn't be giving up anything because cap space is that valuable.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 11:40 a.m.
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    Quoting: DarcyTucker
    Of course a fan of another irrelevant team would say that. Too bad, it is known that Kane likes to be in the spotlight. He's waiving for the likes of NYR, LA, Boston, etc,. Not freaking Carolina who is consistently living off other teams' profits. They're a glorified Arizona, but with competent management.


    Big market =/= relevent.

    Also, since Dundon bought the team, Carolina has made consistent profits. Carolina was one of a handful of teams to make money through the pandemic. Stop it. Your take is outdated and, like your team, irrelevant.
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    Sep. 23, 2022 at 11:44 a.m.
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    Quoting: DarcyTucker
    Of course a fan of another irrelevant team would say that. Too bad, it is known that Kane likes to be in the spotlight. He's waiving for the likes of NYR, LA, Boston, etc,. Not freaking Carolina who is consistently living off other teams' profits. They're a glorified Arizona, but with competent management.


    tears of joy

    Caniac2000's answer will be sufficient to your irrelevant take
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    Sep. 23, 2022 at 12:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    That's great. Kane is also a rental and he's 34. This isn't someone like Tkachuk where you're building for the future and you're keeping him for another decade. That isn't the case here. You're not going to get a guy that is breaking the records of the reigning Norris winner in college for a 34-year-old rental. Kane may be a point-per-game winger again this year, it doesn't change that. Especially considering that Kane has a no-move. He'd get control of his destination. It's not like he can be shipped off to New York for Barzal (assuming the Isles stink again). Anything including prospects of that caliber or young roster players should be beyond the limit. This is a 34-year-old rental. Yes, perhaps the best rental we've seen ever. Future hall of Famer, but this isn't prime Patty Kane and he's been slowing down. He's not going to get 100 points again. Chicago has to retain to get anything for him because no contending team is going to have 10.5 mil to splash on a 34-year-old rental. If Carolina is going to take that on, I wouldn't be giving up anything because cap space is that valuable.


    You keep saying Morrow is breaking Makar's records at UMass, but what record is that? Because if you're gonna say it's being the first freshman to score 30 for that program, I'm going to just have to assume that you think Nashville's 4th round pick from last year is also projecting to be better than Cale Makar, considering Ryan Ufko was just the second freshman in UMass history to score 30 points. Otherwise, you're just cherrypicking a singular stat that ignores the fact that Makar nearly doubled his scoring rate in his sophomore season before making the jump to the NHL. Morrow has good offensive upside that will make him nearly a lock for any team's top 4, but hasn't shown the same defensive upside Makar had at that point in his development. Continually comparing the two is just unfair to Morrow, because the likelihood he turns out to be a Makar-level player has probably the same odds as him turning into another Brandon Gormley.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 12:26 p.m.
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    You keep saying Morrow is breaking Makar's records at UMass, but what record is that? Because if you're gonna say it's being the first freshman to score 30 for that program, I'm going to just have to assume that you think Nashville's 4th round pick from last year is also projecting to be better than Cale Makar, considering Ryan Ufko was just the second freshman in UMass history to score 30 points. Otherwise, you're just cherrypicking a singular stat that ignores the fact that Makar nearly doubled his scoring rate in his sophomore season before making the jump to the NHL. Morrow has good offensive upside that will make him nearly a lock for any team's top 4, but hasn't shown the same defensive upside Makar had at that point in his development. Continually comparing the two is just unfair to Morrow, because the likelihood he turns out to be a Makar-level player has probably the same odds as him turning into another Brandon Gormley.


    Morrow is on a BETTER development trajectory according to the UMass staticians. Morrow just broke the UMass record for ES production by a D man. He's better at this point than Makar was. That is undoubtable. He's not likely to be Makar, but the fact there's a chance he could be in the same conversation is why you do not move him for jack and or sh*t. I'm not sure I'd trade Morrow for anything right now. He's almost certain as a lock for the Canes top pairing. His skating is stronger than almost anyone at the college level. If this is a debate about Morrow's value, that's one thing, but there's no way the Canes are moving him for a rental. It's unrealistic and dumb, so the conversation becomes redundant. It's like saying the Rangers would trade Lafreniere or Kakko for Kane. It's not going to happen because it's not worth moving players with superstar potential for a 34 year old future hall of fame rental.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 12:55 p.m.
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    Morrow is on a BETTER development trajectory according to the UMass staticians. Morrow just broke the UMass record for ES production by a D man. He's better at this point than Makar was. That is undoubtable. He's not likely to be Makar, but the fact there's a chance he could be in the same conversation is why you do not move him for jack and or sh*t. I'm not sure I'd trade Morrow for anything right now. He's almost certain as a lock for the Canes top pairing. His skating is stronger than almost anyone at the college level. If this is a debate about Morrow's value, that's one thing, but there's no way the Canes are moving him for a rental. It's unrealistic and dumb, so the conversation becomes redundant. It's like saying the Rangers would trade Lafreniere or Kakko for Kane. It's not going to happen because it's not worth moving players with superstar potential for a 34 year old future hall of fame rental.


    Saying he has superstar potential is also something that no prospect evaluator has said about Morrow to this point - he's a Top 4 guy with defensive issues. The names that most consistently come up in his comps are Jake Gardiner & Tyson Barrie - Cale Makar only comes up when they mention what school he goes to.

    Regardless, if you're not including a prospect better than the oft-injured Ryan Suzuki, or the questionable effort of Noah Gunler, Chicago isn't making the deal. Hugging your prospects too tight is how you miss out on acquiring players who actually move the needle for you in the playoffs - look at the Avs, they gave up a pair of RHD prospects valued similarly to what most folks peg Morrow as (top 4 guys) to get two guys that helped them win the Cup. Go ask the Colorado fans on the board which they'd rather have - Justin Barron & Drew Helleson, or that Cup win from last season.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 1:00 p.m.
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    Saying he has superstar potential is also something that no prospect evaluator has said about Morrow to this point - he's a Top 4 guy with defensive issues. The names that most consistently come up in his comps are Jake Gardiner & Tyson Barrie - Cale Makar only comes up when they mention what school he goes to.

    Regardless, if you're not including a prospect better than the oft-injured Ryan Suzuki, or the questionable effort of Noah Gunler, Chicago isn't making the deal. Hugging your prospects too tight is how you miss out on acquiring players who actually move the needle for you in the playoffs - look at the Avs, they gave up a pair of RHD prospects valued similarly to what most folks peg Morrow as (top 4 guys) to get two guys that helped them win the Cup. Go ask the Colorado fans on the board which they'd rather have - Justin Barron & Drew Helleson, or that Cup win from last season.


    Now I know you're not sure what you're talking about because his comparisons are Carlson and Josi. Yes, the comparisons to Makar come from what school he goes to, mainly because Makar hasn't been in the league long enough to be used as a full blown bench mark.

    You don't even know Gunler's first name. Suzuki is often injured, but when he plays he's still a very good player to have. He may not move the needle, that is where you refer to the description, If you can't read that, that's a you problem. Morrow is going to be a top pairing offensive defenseman if he develops at his current rate if you ask anyone that watches him. That's not the question. What you think about Morrow doesn't matter. The question is whether he keeps developing at the rate he is, because if he does, he will rewrite Canes record books at least. With that, I think that is a confirmation to agree to disagree
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 1:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: DarcyTucker
    Kane wants to be a star in a star-market. No chance he waives for any irrelevant team.


    Canes are a better team than the Leafs. The only thing relevant about Toronto is their embarassing amount of first round exits
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    Sep. 23, 2022 at 3:20 p.m.
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    There is some serious slant in this room. I'm getting the hell out of here.
    Sep. 23, 2022 at 3:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: DarcyTucker
    Kane wants to be a star in a star-market. No chance he waives for any irrelevant team.


    that "irrelevant team" has more playoff series wins in the last 2 years than the leafs have in the last 2 decades
     
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