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Trying to pull a Sam Pollock

Created by: JeffGorton
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 23, 2022
Published: Sep. 23, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
Sam Pollock famously traded for a 1st round pick which ended up becoming 1st overall which the Habs took Guy Lafleur
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. van Riemsdyk, James
  2. 2023 1st round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Struble, Jayden [Reserve List]
2.
MTL
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Pitlick, Rem
Additional Details:
whoever needs a cheap winger
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $833,333
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$82,500,000$78,399,999$1,132,500$850,000$4,100,001
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Caufield, Cole
$880,833
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Suzuki, Nick
$7,875,000
C
UFA - 8
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Dadonov, Evgeni
$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Monahan, Sean
$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Gallagher, Brendan
$6,500,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 5
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Hoffman, Mike
$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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Dach, Kirby
$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 4
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Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
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van Riemsdyk, James
$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Evans, Jake
$1,700,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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Armia, Joel
$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
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Savard, David
$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
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Allen, Jake
$2,875,000
G
UFA - 1
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Edmundson, Joel
$3,500,000
LD
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UFA - 2
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Wideman, Chris
$762,500
RD
UFA - 2
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Montembeault, Samuel
$1,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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Xhekaj, Arber
$828,333
LD
RFA - 2
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Schueneman, Corey
$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Pezzetta, Michael
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Price, Carey
$10,500,000
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NMC
UFA - 4
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Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Sep. 23 at 12:47 p.m.
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I don’t think PHI is trading their first now under any circumstances lol
Sep. 23 at 12:50 p.m.
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If you are trying to get a pick like that you uave to be offering up someone of Jones or Karlsson caliber. Duchene was also over a PPG center when he was traded. This offer doesn't even start a conversation
Sep. 23 at 12:56 p.m.
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Philly could either be a good team or a bad one so i think the only way the do it is if the pick has protection.... the details of the protection will be the deciding factor for sure... top 10, top 15, or even top 20
Sep. 23 at 1:03 p.m.
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The biggest issue is....you gave nothing of value in return for the 1st round. Heck if JVR has a good season, he could be a good trade piece for the out of playoffs Flyers at TDL.

Trading Bill Hicke for the 1st rounder was robbery by the Sam Pollock. But the genius of Pollock was giving a Ralph Backstrom to Kings, and helping them so the Kings would stay ahead of the Oakland in the standings
Sep. 23 at 1:17 p.m.
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Quoting: liamarchibald00
I don’t think PHI is trading their first now under any circumstances lol


Never underestimate Fletcher, that man has no idea what he's doing, what year it is, or where he's going.
Sep. 23 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
The biggest issue is....you gave nothing of value in return for the 1st round. Heck if JVR has a good season, he could be a good trade piece for the out of playoffs Flyers at TDL.

Trading Bill Hicke for the 1st rounder was robbery by the Sam Pollock. But the genius of Pollock was giving a Ralph Backstrom to Kings, and helping them so the Kings would stay ahead of the Oakland in the standings[/qu
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
If you are trying to get a pick like that you uave to be offering up someone of Jones or Karlsson caliber. Duchene was also over a PPG center when he was traded. This offer doesn't even start a conversation


Normally that would be the case but the cost of taking JVR is a decently high 1st rounder (12-15 range)
Sep. 23 at 1:24 p.m.
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There's no world where Philly should be thinking about moving their 2023 1st. They were a bad team last year, and the only big move they made this summer was overpaying for Tony DeAngelo. That's a lottery pick barring some sort of miracle. A middle-6 C and a B-tier prospect at one of the few positions they actually have young depth at isn't enough to pry that 1st out of Philly.

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Philly could either be a good team or a bad one so i think the only way the do it is if the pick has protection.... the details of the protection will be the deciding factor for sure... top 10, top 15, or even top 20


The Flyers finished only 6 points clear of the Habs last year. You bet your bottom dollar if they found some reason to trade this year's 1st, there will be protections on it.
Sep. 23 at 1:25 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Normally that would be the case but the cost of taking JVR is a decently high 1st rounder (12-15 range)


They don't need to dump JVR's cap though; if anything, they'll trade him double-retained at the deadline for a mid-tier asset.
Sep. 23 at 1:25 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Normally that would be the case but the cost of taking JVR is a decently high 1st rounder (12-15 range)


Lol not when you are cap compliant which Philly is. JVR will probably instead be sold at the deadline for roughly a 2nd
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Sep. 23 at 2:47 p.m.
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Are best bet at a Sam Pollock this year is FLA 1st. Far fetched to pull it off
Sep. 23 at 2:54 p.m.
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Add Caufield and the Flyers start to consider it.
Sep. 23 at 3:09 p.m.
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No team that finishes in the bottom 10 the previous year will ever trade their unprotected 1st the following year, ever again. You have to find a team that was good previously and is confident they'll be good again, only to have a disaster season. (Habs hoping Florida has this) That's the only way you'll luck into a high end pick again. The past two times it happened both those teams were coming off solid playoff runs. (Ott & SJ) Philly not only hasn't been good lately, they're practically destined for a low finish again with all the injuries they have. Not even Fletcher is dumb enough to do this.

That is all besides the point that Dvorak and Struble doesn't even get you a protected 1st along with JVR. Philly no longer needs to shed cap. They have Ellis and now Couturier on LTIR. They need to ADD cap, not cut it. (If they want to maximize the LTIR relief as to be good this year)
Sep. 23 at 10:20 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
The biggest issue is....you gave nothing of value in return for the 1st round. Heck if JVR has a good season, he could be a good trade piece for the out of playoffs Flyers at TDL.

Trading Bill Hicke for the 1st rounder was robbery by the Sam Pollock. But the genius of Pollock was giving a Ralph Backstrom to Kings, and helping them so the Kings would stay ahead of the Oakland in the standings


California Golden Seals, Charlie Finley, bright gold and green uniforms, the white skates, the teal uniorms, Oddleifson, Meloche, Maruk, MacAdam, Simmer, Leach, McKechnie, Hrechkosy, Murdoch. Loved the Seals.
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Sep. 23 at 10:23 p.m.
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California Golden Seals, Charlie Finley, bright gold and green uniforms, the white skates, the teal uniorms, Oddleifson, Meloche, Maruk, MacAdam, Simmer, Leach, McKechnie, Hrechkosy, Murdoch. Loved the Seals.


Lots of personality in the "old days" and the players didn't wear helmets. Charlie Finley got a lot criticism but he had a great run with his Oakland As,
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