Now go ahead and find six.

I’d say niemela is the top prospect. And why would we need to pay extra to give them holl? They would use him and he has value to them and a lot of nhl teams. Including ourselves. That being said I’ve already debated and explained that this trade doesn’t make sense for either team. Why even try to debate when it’s over ?

Wow just looked at several sites and only player was on most lists for prosepects under 23 and that was Robertson. He was ranked in most list in the top half or in two lists of top 50 he was ranked in the 40s. And if it make snow sense then why post when it is already over?

I posted to show leafs fans this trade doesn’t make sense. It was debated and the trade doesn’t work for either teams. Why try to re open a debate that’s already over ?

Grabner was a dime a dozen player at the time, so that example is well short on the quality part. Hell, one of the players who came back, Verhaeghe, is far better than Grabner was then. It's just not an apt example.

Robertson and Niemela are two of the Leafs best prospects, so it's not that.

Hirvonen was captain for Finland and was a ppg too

Yep, that being said I don't think we are going to see a 6 for 1, especially not when with a ton of Leaf prospects. The Leafs probably won't land Chychrun unless the ask comes down significantly and it's probably would require a 2 for 4/5 players.

Niemala is kind of interesting.

I think there was this weird thing with Robertson where he scored a playoff goal and leaf land decided he was a top prospect. I haven’t seen much to like about his game other than a killer writer that he doesn’t seem to have the ability to get off with any frequency.

Well tbf Robertson and Neimala aren’t crap but yea this isn’t enough at all

He doesn't have to be the best prospect, but he's considered a good prospect based off what he's done in juniors and the AHL. He has limited NHL experience but once a player starts gaining NHL experience they will no longer be a prospect. Being a good or great prospect doesn't mean you will turnout to be an NHLer.

If Arz is interested in undersized wingers, then he's definitely a player that they would want but they would rather much prefer the big, local kid in Knies for sure.

He’s a 21 year old undersized winger that’s been given multiple chances in the NHL and he can’t stick. He’s okay.

This is in the context of chychrun. Robertson is irrelevant in that conversation

Robertson had a few looks in the past but it's not like he played a ton in the NHL either. Cracking the Leafs line up for a player like him isn't going to be that easy, since he's going to be looked to fill a top 6 role. What matters though is where he's at now, at age 21 he still has some time, and he's looking okay for now. He's not irrelevant in Chychrun trade conversations, unless the Yotes are categorically against undersized wingers, otherwise there could be interest. Just because he couldn't crack the Leafs roster in the past (he might this year), doesn't mean he couldn't crack the Yotes roster.

Like I said in my previous post, Arizona's first choice would definitely be Knies and they might stick to asking for him since they probably really want him because of his size and local ties, but if they are okay with undersized wingers they might be open to taking Robertson. He's shown he can dominate in the AHL last year, now it's time for him to prove he can take that next step. He's gotten a bit "thicker" in his own words which might help him a bit.

When talking about the prospects that would be a primary piece in a trade for an asset like chychrun, there can’t be a litany of excuses.

I’m not saying the guy doesn’t have value, and for a good rental at the deadline, Robertson would likely be that kind of asset that could be the good prospect in the standard, “first and a prospect,” deal.

He’s a gamble for sure. Not a lock for the NHL. Has some knocks against him (size, and current failure to perform in the NHL).

In a trade for chychrun, the main prospects can’t be in the, “we can definitely talk ourselves into this guy,” category. They have to be more, “our organization loves this guy and believes in him.” I don’t think Robertson is going to be that guy for any NHL teams.

I see what you are saying but it's definitely the type offer that the Leafs should give and that I would expect, it's not one that Arizona would take right away, and may ultimately be outbid, but I don't think teams are going to be giving that premium prospect that ARZ wants like Pinto, Knies, or Holloway. Teams are probably aren't only going to be sending that guy and a 1st for Chychrun, especially due to the cap, some teams will be providing a good or decent player, others a cap dump with a sweetner as well. So, I'm not at all saying that's going to be a top offer or one that Arizona would definitely take, it really depends on how they feel about undersized wingers+the rest of the package (perhaps they offer Robertson+ a 2023 1st+Brodie) and how that compares with the other offers. The ask of Arz is down to a premium prospect+a 1st from their previous ask, perhaps that's good enough for them to get a deal done or perhaps it goes lower. I don't think the Leafs will get him, I think Florida might find a way to land him.

i'd rather them trade for a forward instead of a defenseman

I think you’re wildly undervaluing chychrun. An asset like this doesn’t come on the market. Three years at that cap hit? That’s so rare. It should be the most expensive trade we’ve seen in a long time. More than eichel, more than debrincat.

Teams best prospect and a first is the basis (if it’s a really good prospect. Then add from there.

Get rid of the notion of an okay roster player. That is zero value to arizona.

I think it winds up being something like: 1st, blue chip prospect, cap dump, another very good asset for chychrun.