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Real cost for the Leafs to get Chychrun and dump Muzzin

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Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 30, 2022
Published: Sep. 30, 2022
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  1. Knies, Matthew [Reserve List]
  2. Muzzin, Jake
  3. Niemelä, Topi
  4. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
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23$82,500,000$84,368,116$212,500$0-$1,868,116
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
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C, LW
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
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$950,000$950,000
LW
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$900,000$900,000
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
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Sep. 30, 2022 at 12:50 p.m.
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a lot of people really think Chychrun is really really good for no reason eh?
Sep. 30, 2022 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
a lot of people really think Chychrun is really really good for no reason eh?


There's a strong demand. Leafs window is closing. Your choice bro.
Sep. 30, 2022 at 12:52 p.m.
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There's a strong demand. Leafs window is closing. Your choice bro.


neat, some other team can vastly over pay for a good 2nd pairing defender. The leafs dont need him at all, bro
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Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:08 p.m.
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Surprised a Habs fan is in here trying to call Muzzin a negative asset after they got a 1st for Chiarot. Big, physical, defenseman who can actually play defense.We all know how fans will look at this and how GMs will ultimately act on it. It always goes the same way.
Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:18 p.m.
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Surprised a Habs fan is in here trying to call Muzzin a negative asset after they got a 1st for Chiarot. Big, physical, defenseman who can actually play defense.We all know how fans will look at this and how GMs will ultimately act on it. It always goes the same way.


If Muzzin was a hab, they'd be trading him to the leafs for nylander and a 1st because muzzin has a cup
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Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:22 p.m.
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Surprised a Habs fan is in here trying to call Muzzin a negative asset after they got a 1st for Chiarot. Big, physical, defenseman who can actually play defense.We all know how fans will look at this and how GMs will ultimately act on it. It always goes the same way.


If he's that good, keep him and play him. Chiarot was very instrumental during the 2021 playoffs.
Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:35 p.m.
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honestly I'd do it, great piece to go on a super run. Although I would swap Knies for Robertson/Sandin if I could
Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:40 p.m.
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Muzzin isn't waiving for the Yotes.
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Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:42 p.m.
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Muzzin isn't waiving for the Yotes.


Bingo
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Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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Quoting: VladislavTretiak
If he's that good, keep him and play him. Chiarot was very instrumental during the 2021 playoffs.


Instrumental in getting price absolutely shelled. Anyone who watched a single game of him in that playoffs who thinks he did well is either lying or blind.
Dude sucks and was run over every second he was in the ice
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Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:47 p.m.
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honestly I'd do it, great piece to go on a super run. Although I would swap Knies for Robertson/Sandin if I could


If Muzzin is healthy, chychrun isn't even an upgrade on him. And before you talk about Muzzins health, chychrun has literally never played a full season, not even 70 games. Not once
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Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:53 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
If Muzzin is healthy, chychrun isn't even an upgrade on him. And before you talk about Muzzins health, chychrun has literally never played a full season, not even 70 games. Not once


i mean -technically- he didn't miss a game during the 2020-21 season, so i'll give him partial credit on full attendance there. but i do agree - if Muzzin is healthy it doesn't make a ton of sense to devote this many assets into what would most likely be a marginal upgrade at LD2.
Sep. 30, 2022 at 1:55 p.m.
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i mean -technically- he didn't miss a game during the 2020-21 season, so i'll give him partial credit on full attendance there. but i do agree - if Muzzin is healthy it doesn't make a ton of sense to devote this many assets into what would most likely be a marginal upgrade at LD2.


Sure, but you dont get the 10 mile ribbon when the race was cut off at 6.
Chychrun is a nice player, but the hype is hilarious. He's literally had a single season in his career that was better than 'good' and he's out here getting erik karlsson returns
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Sep. 30, 2022 at 2:00 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Sure, but you dont get the 10 mile ribbon when the race was cut off at 6.
Chychrun is a nice player, but the hype is hilarious. He's literally had a single season in his career that was better than 'good' and he's out here getting erik karlsson returns


i'm with you - he's an LD2 on pretty much every team you'd consider a contender. a 1st & a good prospect is all it should take. maybe throw in a 3rd or a slightly better than "good" prospect if you want Arizona to eat a contract for you.
Sep. 30, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.
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i'm with you - he's an LD2 on pretty much every team you'd consider a contender. a 1st & a good prospect is all it should take. maybe throw in a 3rd or a slightly better than "good" prospect if you want Arizona to eat a contract for you.


Yep, and some team who needs LD would be smart to do it. The leafs are the last team that should be doing that, well 2nd last after tampa and tied with Colorado
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Sep. 30, 2022 at 2:29 p.m.
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Instrumental in getting price absolutely shelled. Anyone who watched a single game of him in that playoffs who thinks he did well is either lying or blind.
Dude sucks and was run over every second he was in the ice


Are you talking about game 7? When the Habs eliminated the Leafs?
Sep. 30, 2022 at 2:32 p.m.
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Are you talking about game 7? When the Habs eliminated the Leafs?


and somehow chariot was still the worst player on the ice by a country mile
Sep. 30, 2022 at 2:46 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
and somehow chariot was still the worst player on the ice by a country mile


Right. I guess that you're happy with Muzzin in the lineup. Good for you, you have your man.
Sep. 30, 2022 at 2:48 p.m.
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Right. I guess that you're happy with Muzzin in the lineup. Good for you, you have your man.


much happier than id be with chariot in the line up, that's for sure. Muzzin can actually play hockey
Sep. 30, 2022 at 3:00 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
much happier than id be with chariot in the line up, that's for sure. Muzzin can actually play hockey


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much happier than id be with chariot in the line up, that's for sure. Muzzin can actually play hockey


Good news, your GM is not after Chiarot.
Sep. 30, 2022 at 3:02 p.m.
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Quoting: VladislavTretiak
Good news, your GM is not after Chiarot.


yeah, i know. It's fantastic, some other sucker got conned into that hilariously bad trade and then an even bigger sucker signed him to an awful deal.
Sep. 30, 2022 at 3:33 p.m.
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yeah, i know. It's fantastic, some other sucker got conned into that hilariously bad trade and then an even bigger sucker signed him to an awful deal.


I know. Things could be worse. Like having Jake Muzzin for two other years at $5.625M and being unable to move him. That's a shame.
Sep. 30, 2022 at 3:34 p.m.
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I know. Things could be worse. Like having Jake Muzzin for two other years at $5.625M and being unable to move him. That's a shame.


nah, we've been over this. that's a much better option than having chariot even for free. Muzzin can actually play in the top 4 on a contending team without a goalie putting up a 980 behind him
Sep. 30, 2022 at 3:47 p.m.
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nah, we've been over this. that's a much better option than having chariot even for free. Muzzin can actually play in the top 4 on a contending team without a goalie putting up a 980 behind him


Then I don't get why you would want to trade Muzzin
Sep. 30, 2022 at 3:51 p.m.
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Quoting: VladislavTretiak
Then I don't get why you would want to trade Muzzin


Because the leafs have 4 guys who can play top 4LD. It is very obvious
 
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