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Oct. 3, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.
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This is not it. McGinn is a keeper we're not moving him. POJ can be moved but why are we moving McGinn? I understand we need space but McGinn is a fan favorite.
Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.
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This is not it. McGinn is a keeper we're not moving him. POJ can be moved but why are we moving McGinn? I understand we need space but McGinn is a fan favorite.


He's an overpaid replacement level player. It was a bad signing. Take the L and move on if you can.
Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:11 p.m.
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He's an overpaid replacement level player. It was a bad signing. Take the L and move on if you can.


Lmao. You're not a real pens fan if you think that. He's a big part of the team and is part of the best 4th line in the NHL
Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:20 p.m.
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He's an overpaid replacement level player. It was a bad signing. Take the L and move on if you can.


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Lmao. You're not a real pens fan if you think that. He's a big part of the team and is part of the best 4th line in the NHL


It's not as much that McGinn is bad, it's more that he can be replaced with one of our younger players, which would save us money and not hurt the team that much. I think any of O'Conner, Poulin, Puustinen, Caguilla would be able to fill that spot. His contract at 2.7 mil for a few more years is just tough when we have tons of AHL guys that are ready to get a shot. Not saying all of them will pan out, but need to see what we have in them.
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Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:26 p.m.
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Lmao. You're not a real pens fan if you think that. He's a big part of the team and is part of the best 4th line in the NHL


What kind of childish remark is this? He is an overpaid 4th liner who could be replaced by a guy making 1/3rd of what he makes.
Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.
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It's not as much that McGinn is bad, it's more that he can be replaced with one of our younger players, which would save us money and not hurt the team that much. I think any of O'Conner, Poulin, Puustinen, Caguilla would be able to fill that spot. His contract at 2.7 mil for a few more years is just tough when we have tons of AHL guys that are ready to get a shot. Not saying all of them will pan out, but need to see what we have in them.


Brian Boyle basically matched McGinn's production last season coming off a PTO. Boyle had 11 goals and 10 assists with 712 TOI, McGinn had 12 goals 10 assists in 959. He is not worth his contract.
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Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:44 p.m.
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Brian Boyle basically matched McGinn's production last season coming off a PTO. Boyle had 11 goals and 10 assists with 712 TOI, McGinn had 12 goals 10 assists in 959. He is not worth his contract.


2.7 mil is too much for 4th line. I would much rather do a line of younger guys, which I think would boost the team. IMO that contract is one of a few big mistakes Hextall has made.
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Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:49 p.m.
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2.7 mil is too much for 4th line. I would much rather do a line of younger guys, which I think would boost the team. IMO that contract is one of a few big mistakes Hextall has made.

The archibald signing was another one. Why is a career 13th forward your day 1 priority? And Ruutta. Head scratching moves after nailing the Letang, Malkin, Rust deals.
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Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:52 p.m.
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The archibald signing was another one. Why is a career 13th forward your day 1 priority? And Ruutta. Head scratching moves after nailing the Letang, Malkin, Rust deals.


Yeah makes no sense, especially putting Zohorna on waivers for him. We need to play the young guys. I feel like he botched the bottom 6 this year. I'm fine with Kapanen coming back, but way too much money. Imagine no McGinn Kapanen and Carter contracts. Thats like 10 mil right there we could've had. Overall, I feel that this team has a shot, but I am worried about the age and some parts of the construction of the team.
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Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:56 p.m.
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BTW Seravalli is reporting the Pens offered POJ to everyone last week and had no takers. His value is pretty much nothing.
Oct. 3, 2022 at 2:58 p.m.
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BTW Seravalli is reporting the Pens offered POJ to everyone last week and had no takers. His value is pretty much nothing.


I would honestly package him with McGinn to try and clear space, but doubt anyone would take it.
Oct. 3, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.
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BTW Seravalli is reporting the Pens offered POJ to everyone last week and had no takers. His value is pretty much nothing.


Or maybe no one has a need for LD and if they did they’d need a more established LD. A rebuilding team I’d think would take him though.
Oct. 3, 2022 at 3:27 p.m.
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He's an overpaid replacement level player. It was a bad signing. Take the L and move on if you can.


I don’t think it was a bad signing. We’ve seen him playing good hockey last season. But when the whole team was bad would you say that was all on McGinn as well? How much would you want to expect out of a player earning $2.75M?
Oct. 3, 2022 at 3:53 p.m.
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I don’t think it was a bad signing. We’ve seen him playing good hockey last season. But when the whole team was bad would you say that was all on McGinn as well? How much would you want to expect out of a player earning $2.75M?

He played 15 minutes a night and came away with just 22 points in 64 games. If he was good defensively I would let it slide, but he was 1 of 2 pens regular forwards last season that were outshot, outchanced and outscored at 5v5. The process, the production, none of it screams 4 year contract at 2.75 it's all very mediocre.
Oct. 3, 2022 at 5:33 p.m.
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He played 15 minutes a night and came away with just 22 points in 64 games. If he was good defensively I would let it slide, but he was 1 of 2 pens regular forwards last season that were outshot, outchanced and outscored at 5v5. The process, the production, none of it screams 4 year contract at 2.75 it's all very mediocre.


The lot of it could just be a new team and new system. Which he did fine for the first 2 months but after that nothing really improved. The other part of that definitely has got to be injuries to the team and to himself. He could chip in offensively but consistency is where it falls and it really just isn’t on him.
Oct. 4, 2022 at 10:10 a.m.
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This is not it. McGinn is a keeper we're not moving him. POJ can be moved but why are we moving McGinn? I understand we need space but McGinn is a fan favorite.


I have never seen one person be a fan of McGinn lol.

Jokes aside, moving him saves space and lets DOC play - who is already as good, if not better, and way cheaper
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Oct. 4, 2022 at 10:11 a.m.
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Brian Boyle basically matched McGinn's production last season coming off a PTO. Boyle had 11 goals and 10 assists with 712 TOI, McGinn had 12 goals 10 assists in 959. He is not worth his contract.


Not only did Boyle match McGinn - he significantly outplayed him lol
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Oct. 4, 2022 at 10:12 a.m.
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I don’t think it was a bad signing. We’ve seen him playing good hockey last season. But when the whole team was bad would you say that was all on McGinn as well? How much would you want to expect out of a player earning $2.75M?


When did he play good hockey last season? And when was the whole team bad?
Oct. 4, 2022 at 10:16 a.m.
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I have never seen one person be a fan of McGinn lol.

Jokes aside, moving him saves space and lets DOC play - who is already as good, if not better, and way cheaper


Agreed. Tanev was a huge fan favorite and they moved him. Fleury is one of my favorite players of all time and they moved him. Tanev got moved too after a great playoffs for him, while McGinn had a poor playoffs I thought. I don't mean to disrespect McGinn, I like him overall, but it just dosen't make sense keeping that contract if we can move him.
Oct. 4, 2022 at 5:34 p.m.
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When did he play good hockey last season? And when was the whole team bad?


About the first two months I’d say he was good. He fell off a bit but the team had a really bad time in the last two to three months when losses started piling up. It’s still funny seeing you guys be frustrated with a player making $2.75M. It’s ridiculous
Oct. 5, 2022 at 9:29 a.m.
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About the first two months I’d say he was good. He fell off a bit but the team had a really bad time in the last two to three months when losses started piling up. It’s still funny seeing you guys be frustrated with a player making $2.75M. It’s ridiculous


He wasn't though. He was equally as bad the entire year. He was the worst forward on the team throughout the year. What the team did is irrelevant because I'm comparing him relative to other players on the team.

Why is that funny though? In a flat cap era on a team that clearly has cap issues and has younger players who can perform equally if not better, why is wasting 2 million dollars funny? I find it funny that you don't care that the worst forward on the team is making 2.75mil for 3 more years when you watch guys like Erod get signed for $2mil, or Domi and Athansiou get signed for $3mil. Now that's ridiculous. All people are saying is that spending $2.75 mil over 3 years for a 4th line winger on a cap strapped team in a flat cap era when you have replacements for 750K is not good. How is that ridiculous?

P.S. do you also find it hilarious when people complain about Carter or Kapanen's contract? Or when people complained about Tanev's contract? Just curious
Oct. 5, 2022 at 3:18 p.m.
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He wasn't though. He was equally as bad the entire year. He was the worst forward on the team throughout the year. What the team did is irrelevant because I'm comparing him relative to other players on the team.

Why is that funny though? In a flat cap era on a team that clearly has cap issues and has younger players who can perform equally if not better, why is wasting 2 million dollars funny? I find it funny that you don't care that the worst forward on the team is making 2.75mil for 3 more years when you watch guys like Erod get signed for $2mil, or Domi and Athansiou get signed for $3mil. Now that's ridiculous. All people are saying is that spending $2.75 mil over 3 years for a 4th line winger on a cap strapped team in a flat cap era when you have replacements for 750K is not good. How is that ridiculous?

P.S. do you also find it hilarious when people complain about Carter or Kapanen's contract? Or when people complained about Tanev's contract? Just curious


I do find it funny when people complain about Carter and Kappy’s contracts. Why do y’all gotta be so mad about guys getting lower cap hits and expect them to what? Outperform their own contracts? Tanev earned that $3.5M. If people knew the player he was before they never would’ve said anything about him. When he was signed no one wanted him but the funny thing is when it came to the expansion draft no one wanted him to leave.

I also do find it funny that ERod got $2M cause it’s pretty much what he deserves. He may have had a year where he produced a good amount of points but all of that legit came from the first 30-35games. After that he made no offensive impact at all. And the funny thing you mention about Domi and Athanasiou is they took the highest cap hits they could take rather than getting paid less on a contending team and they have been players that have been on the more struggling side.

Spending $2.75 on a guy like McGinn is what a contract for a 3rd/4th liner looks like and I’m still asking what do you want out of a guy making $2.75?
Oct. 5, 2022 at 3:19 p.m.
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He wasn't though. He was equally as bad the entire year. He was the worst forward on the team throughout the year. What the team did is irrelevant because I'm comparing him relative to other players on the team.

Why is that funny though? In a flat cap era on a team that clearly has cap issues and has younger players who can perform equally if not better, why is wasting 2 million dollars funny? I find it funny that you don't care that the worst forward on the team is making 2.75mil for 3 more years when you watch guys like Erod get signed for $2mil, or Domi and Athansiou get signed for $3mil. Now that's ridiculous. All people are saying is that spending $2.75 mil over 3 years for a 4th line winger on a cap strapped team in a flat cap era when you have replacements for 750K is not good. How is that ridiculous?

P.S. do you also find it hilarious when people complain about Carter or Kapanen's contract? Or when people complained about Tanev's contract? Just curious


It’s also funny you say he wasn’t good in anyway but his 5on5 defence play would say otherwise here

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Oct. 5, 2022 at 3:34 p.m.
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I do find it funny when people complain about Carter and Kappy’s contracts. Why do y’all gotta be so mad about guys getting lower cap hits and expect them to what? Outperform their own contracts? Tanev earned that $3.5M. If people knew the player he was before they never would’ve said anything about him. When he was signed no one wanted him but the funny thing is when it came to the expansion draft no one wanted him to leave.

I also do find it funny that ERod got $2M cause it’s pretty much what he deserves. He may have had a year where he produced a good amount of points but all of that legit came from the first 30-35games. After that he made no offensive impact at all. And the funny thing you mention about Domi and Athanasiou is they took the highest cap hits they could take rather than getting paid less on a contending team and they have been players that have been on the more struggling side.

Spending $2.75 on a guy like McGinn is what a contract for a 3rd/4th liner looks like and I’m still asking what do you want out of a guy making $2.75?


Hey man as long as your consistent I can't fault you too much. No - I just expect them to play to their contracts. Which McGinn doesn't - based on what we saw people get signed for this offseason. Tanev is not worth 3.5mil - especially for that length of time. I sincerely hope you're not trying to say he is/was. Yeah nobody wanted him because that contract was awful. What do you mean nobody wanted him to leave lol? That's just factually incorrect. Sure people enjoyed watching him play and are obviously going to root for him but they were also very happy to get out from under that awful contract.

Erod still made an offensive impact after the first 35 games. And he obviously had a way better season than McGinn - so not sure how Erod deserves 2mil but McGinn is fine at 2.75. And the funny thing about Domi and Athansiou is you don't know that, they aren't struggling(especially Athanasiou), and are better than McGinn,

Spending 2.75mil on a guy like McGinn is a waste when you have equal or better players making basically league minimum. It's w waste for a cap strapped team in a flat cap era. I want him to play like a 2.75 million dollar player. He got outplayed by every other forward on the team making 1.1mil and under.
Oct. 5, 2022 at 3:35 p.m.
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Quoting: BestGMBenning
It’s also funny you say he wasn’t good in anyway but his 5on5 defence play would say otherwise here

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It's also funny when people tweet these player cards like they're the 10 commandments. Might as well put Ruhwedel on the first pair then

And Rakell was a wasted sign then because McGinn is way better than him apparently. Should've just put him on the top line.

I'm still waiting to know why you're so flabbergasted by the idea of people wanting to save $2mil to spend elsewhere.
 
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