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i can agree with it seeming like too much but none of the defensemen in that lineup are call ups. Blankenburg might start over bean opening night playing on his off side. they also have Jiricek, Svozil, Mateychuk coming soon

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Oct. 4, 2022 at 1:16 p.m.

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Quoting: BJ_Lover

i can agree with it seeming like too much but none of the defensemen in that lineup are call ups. Blankenburg might start over bean opening night playing on his off side. they also have Jiricek, Svozil, Mateychuk coming soon

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That's giving up too many defenders, imagine Arz builds half their blueline off a Chychrun trade. If the goal is to improve for the playoffs, that probably doesn't mean moving two roster defenseman for one then playing a call-up.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.

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But is he ahead of Boqvist? If the goal is to be better "now" (i.e. for the playoffs if it's a TDL deal) it would make sense to upgrade Bean to Chychrun and the cost of that might be Ceulemans and a 1st.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 1:24 p.m.

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That's giving up too many defenders, imagine Arz builds half their blueline off a Chychrun trade. If the goal is to improve for the playoffs, that probably doesn't mean moving two roster defenseman for one then playing a call-up.

The Jackets have 7 NHL defensemen right now so they wouldn't be playing a call up, and Chychrun is a huge upgrade over Bean and it's looking like Boqvist too. Boq is great offensively but is horrid in his own zone.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 1:25 p.m.

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But is he ahead of Boqvist?

no, but in some fans opinions he could be. the right side is your choice of Peeke, Gud. Boq and Blanks, with the fourth of those taking the 3rd pair LD in a lot of fans minds

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Oct. 4, 2022 at 1:29 p.m.

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The Jackets have 7 NHL defensemen right now so they wouldn't be playing a call up, and Chychrun is a huge upgrade over Bean and it's looking like Boqvist too. Boq is great offensively but is horrid in his own zone.

He's still one of their higher ceiling young defenseman with experience. Having 7D is no problem if they have playoff aspirations. If they are doing the same trade minus Boqvist, they are going to be a better team even if he does end up being the 7th option.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 1:32 p.m.

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Quoting: BJ_Lover

But is he ahead of Boqvist?

no, but in some fans opinions he could be. the right side is your choice of Peeke, Gud. Boq and Blanks, with the fourth of those taking the 3rd pair LD in a lot of fans minds

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He's still one of their higher ceiling young defenseman with experience. Having 7D is no problem if they have playoff aspirations. If they are doing the same trade minus Boqvist, they are going to be a better team even if he does end up being the 7th option.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.

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He's still one of their higher ceiling young defenseman with experience. Having 7D is no problem if they have playoff aspirations. If they are doing the same trade minus Boqvist, they are going to be a better team even if he does end up being the 7th option.

Not all NHL defensemen are created equal. Chychrun is much more capable at playing against top competition than anyone of their current dmen (aside from Z and Gav). Keeping Boqvist just to have as a 6th or 7th defenseman over Blankenburg or Peeke is not worth it. They need an upgrade at the top. I personally don't believe Boqvist's ceiling is much higher than where he's currently at. He just doesn't have the physical traits, and I'm questioning his midset as well. He had the opportunity to come in this year and take the top RHD spot, but instead he has looked unsure and unwilling.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.

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Quoting: pwisch17

Not all NHL defensemen are created equal. Chychrun is much more capable at playing against top competition than anyone of their current dmen (aside from Z and Gav). Keeping Boqvist just to have as a 6th or 7th defenseman over Blankenburg or Peeke is not worth it. They need an upgrade at the top. I personally don't believe Boqvist's ceiling is much higher than where he's currently at. He just doesn't have the physical traits, and I'm questioning his midset as well. He had the opportunity to come in this year and take the top RHD spot, but instead he has looked unsure and unwilling.

FWIW Boqvist is playing along side Zach on the top pairing at practice... Maybe he has been playing better than some people think, at least according to the coaching staff. We'll see what the final lines look like come next week

Oct. 4, 2022 at 1:57 p.m.

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Quoting: pwisch17

Not all NHL defensemen are created equal. Chychrun is much more capable at playing against top competition than anyone of their current dmen (aside from Z and Gav). Keeping Boqvist just to have as a 6th or 7th defenseman over Blankenburg or Peeke is not worth it. They need an upgrade at the top. I personally don't believe Boqvist's ceiling is much higher than where he's currently at. He just doesn't have the physical traits, and I'm questioning his midset as well. He had the opportunity to come in this year and take the top RHD spot, but instead he has looked unsure and unwilling.

Keeping Boqvist probably doesn't prevent them from also acquiring Chychrun. With the assumption that this is going to be a TDL move, it would definitely be worth having that depth since it should also promote internal competition but it also won't cost assets like a rental. Perhaps Boqvist does need a change of scenery, so if he's included then maybe they shouldn't have to include celeumans but if they do then they might as well keep Bean. Would suck if Chychrun remained healthy the whole time and then got injured just before the playoffs.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 2:22 p.m.

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I mean yeah youre gonna be a better team by not giving up a player instead of giving one up. My point i was making was that the jackets need to make room for jiricek svozil and Mateychuk regardless so its not the end of the world to give up 3D in a trade

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Oct. 4, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.

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I mean yeah youre gonna be a better team by not giving up a player instead of giving one up. My point i was making was that the jackets need to make room for jiricek svozil and Mateychuk regardless so its not the end of the world to give up 3D in a trade

That's a next year problem though, no?

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Quoting: GMBL

Keeping Boqvist probably doesn't prevent them from also acquiring Chychrun. With the assumption that this is going to be a TDL move, it would definitely be worth having that depth since it should also promote internal competition but it also won't cost assets like a rental. Perhaps Boqvist does need a change of scenery, so if he's included then maybe they shouldn't have to include celeumans but if they do then they might as well keep Bean. Would suck if Chychrun remained healthy the whole time and then got injured just before the playoffs.

The trade can definitely happen without Boqvist, but I think the CBJ would certainly rather part with him than another young prospect like Mateychuk, Chinakov or Marchenko. With the way the physicality and compete ramp up in the postseason, I don't see having Boqvist as much of an insurance policy. I'd rather call up Jiricek if that is the scenario. Also, while the term is short, getting rid of Bean and Boqvist's contracts will help this team with cap flexibility next year.

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That's a next year problem though, no?

With 3 years left on Chychrun's deal, next year and beyond have to figure into the equation. Trying to win now isn't the same as being short-sighted to get better.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.

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The trade can definitely happen without Boqvist, but I think the CBJ would certainly rather part with him than another young prospect like Mateychuk, Chinakov or Marchenko. With the way the physicality and compete ramp up in the postseason, I don't see having Boqvist as much of an insurance. I'd rather call up Jiricek if that is the scenario. Also, while the term is short, getting rid of Bean and Boqvist's contracts will help this team with cap flexibility next year.

With 3 years left on Chychrun's deal, next year and beyond have to figure into the equation. Trying to win now isn't the same as being short-sighted to get better.

Chychrun is probably not worth giving up a ton of prospects for but they won't be able to play they all, so it won't hurt to give up one of the forward prospects instead.

Getting rid of both Boqvist and Bean doesn't have to be in the same trade or season.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 3:44 p.m.

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Chychrun is probably not worth giving up a ton of prospects for but they won't be able to play they all, so it won't hurt to give up one of the forward prospects instead.

Getting rid of both Boqvist and Bean doesn't have to be in the same trade or season.

They really don't have many top-end forward prospects outside Marchenko, Chinakov and Johnson. They could all make the team this year and will be needed to step up in the next 1-2 years as aging players drop off. The defensive prospect pool is absolutely loaded and they can afford to sacrifice more there. If ARZ wants a young forward it would have to be someone outside of the aforementioned three, and I don't think that would be enough to land Chychrun. Besides, ARZ has tons of forward prospects coming up and virtually no defense, so I think they would want to target defensemen in any Chychrun deal.

Oct. 4, 2022 at 7:13 p.m.

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