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Hornqvist and Chychrun

Created by: gavinray
Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 4, 2022
Published: Oct. 4, 2022
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  1. Hörnqvist, Patric
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (FLA)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (FLA)
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  1. Järventie, Roby
  2. Thomson, Lassi
  3. Zaitsev, Nikita
  4. 2023 1st round pick (OTT)
  5. 2023 2nd round pick (FLA)
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Oct. 4, 2022 at 11:10 p.m.
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I like it smile

I would personally try to add Formenton and take one of the prospects out of the package going to Arizona.

Also I assume the D pairings you listed are off, but the rest looks nice.
Oct. 4, 2022 at 11:13 p.m.
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That FLA trade is obscene.
Oct. 4, 2022 at 11:52 p.m.
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Quantity on point. tears of joy
Oct. 5, 2022 at 12:24 a.m.
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You wont get Chychrun with that. LA or someone will certainly come in and offer a better centerpiece prospect
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Oct. 5, 2022 at 1:13 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
You wont get Chychrun with that. LA or someone will certainly come in and offer a better centerpiece prospect


Chychrun was scoring at an unsustainable rate during his “breakout year.” Chances are it was an outlier season tbh. Arizona is deluding themselves with their asking price. Dude is injury prone, and the longer he stays in Arizona the more his value will plummet.
Oct. 5, 2022 at 1:44 a.m.
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Realistic I like that
Oct. 5, 2022 at 2:58 a.m.
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Chychrun was scoring at an unsustainable rate during his “breakout year.” Chances are it was an outlier season tbh. Arizona is deluding themselves with their asking price. Dude is injury prone, and the longer he stays in Arizona the more his value will plummet.


You have it backwards, the outlier year was this most recent year. Sure he had a really high shooting % but his underlying numbers are nearly the same in 19/20 to 20/21
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Oct. 5, 2022 at 7:52 a.m.
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Chychrun was scoring at an unsustainable rate during his “breakout year.” Chances are it was an outlier season tbh. Arizona is deluding themselves with their asking price. Dude is injury prone, and the longer he stays in Arizona the more his value will plummet.


Durability is a concern, on-ice ability is not. No matter what camp you're in on Chyrchrun, you can't deny that there are plenty of people who like him as a player. There is definitely a market for him that will get more competitive throughout the season IF he can stay healthy. It is a bit of a gamble by ARZ to wait until after the season starts and risk injury, but it could pay off for them. I'm sure they have 3-5 teams who are more than moderately interested. They will continue to negotiate for the best price. They have almost 6 months to make a deal.
Oct. 5, 2022 at 8:50 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
You have it backwards, the outlier year was this most recent year. Sure he had a really high shooting % but his underlying numbers are nearly the same in 19/20 to 20/21
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He is a good player. But Arizona wants a return akin to that of a number one d man, and I’m not sold on the fact he is.
Oct. 5, 2022 at 8:52 a.m.
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Quoting: pwisch17
Durability is a concern, on-ice ability is not. No matter what camp you're in on Chyrchrun, you can't deny that there are plenty of people who like him as a player. There is definitely a market for him that will get more competitive throughout the season IF he can stay healthy. It is a bit of a gamble by ARZ to wait until after the season starts and risk injury, but it could pay off for them. I'm sure they have 3-5 teams who are more than moderately interested. They will continue to negotiate for the best price. They have almost 6 months to make a deal.


I mean his offensive numbers kind of cratered without his shooting percentage. At least compared to where he was the year before. He’s good, but I’m not sold on him being a number one guy. And I’m very concerned about his durability.
Oct. 5, 2022 at 9:04 a.m.
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He is a good player. But Arizona wants a return akin to that of a number one d man, and I’m not sold on the fact he is.


He's a top 25 dman in the league, a heavy minute muncher, and strong at both ends of the rink. Even if he is just a high end #2 like Weegar or Toews his contract is still fantastic
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Oct. 5, 2022 at 9:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
He's a top 25 dman in the league, a heavy minute muncher, and strong at both ends of the rink. Even if he is just a high end #2 like Weegar or Toews his contract is still fantastic


I would assume that Toews is better than him tbh. Weegar might be too. But in the metro alone I can name ten or twelve guys who r better than him.

If you mean that’s he a top 25 guy in terms of contract value and age then I get what ur saying.
Oct. 5, 2022 at 9:56 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
I would assume that Toews is better than him tbh. Weegar might be too. But in the metro alone I can name ten or twelve guys who r better than him.

If you mean that’s he a top 25 guy in terms of contract value and age then I get what ur saying.


No he's top 25 in the league. In terms of top defensmen league wide.

10 or 12 in the Metro? Thats crazy. Most I can name for certain are 6. Slavin, Werenski, Hamilton, Fox, Letang, and Carlson. Who are your other 4-6? Pulock and Provorov are a bit below him, Pelech is better defensively but lacks the offense, DeAngelo, Burns, and Petry are definitely not better.
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Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:00 a.m.
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No he's top 25 in the league. In terms of top defensmen league wide.

10 or 12 in the Metro? Thats crazy. Most I can name for certain are 6. Slavin, Werenski, Hamilton, Fox, Letang, and Carlson. Who are your other 4-6? Pulock and Provorov are a bit below him, Pelech is better defensively but lacks the offense, DeAngelo, Burns, and Petry are definitely not better.


Hamilton, Pulock, Pelech, Dobson, Miller, Lindgren, and Pesce are all better than him….
Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:01 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No he's top 25 in the league. In terms of top defensmen league wide.

10 or 12 in the Metro? Thats crazy. Most I can name for certain are 6. Slavin, Werenski, Hamilton, Fox, Letang, and Carlson. Who are your other 4-6? Pulock and Provorov are a bit below him, Pelech is better defensively but lacks the offense, DeAngelo, Burns, and Petry are definitely not better.


Chychrun is not better than Pulock lmao. He’s not better than Dobson or Miller either. If you don’t like that I listed Lindgren fine, but outside of that I’m not budging.
Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:06 a.m.
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Chychrun is not better than Pulock lmao. He’s not better than Dobson or Miller either. If you don’t like that I listed Lindgren fine, but outside of that I’m not budging.


He is absolutely better than Dobson and Miller lol, I cant believe you brought them up as comparables. Pulock is very debatable. You clearly over value your own players or under value Chychrun
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Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:07 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
He is absolutely better than Dobson and Miller lol, I cant believe you brought them up as comparables. Pulock is very debatable. You clearly over value your own players or under value Chychrun


Miller isn’t my guy lol
Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:09 a.m.
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He is absolutely better than Dobson and Miller lol, I cant believe you brought them up as comparables. Pulock is very debatable. You clearly over value your own players or under value Chychrun


Chychrun can put up points on a a bad team. He hasn’t proven anything else lmao. He had a great season against seven teams in 56 games. And he shot about 400% that year lol.
Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:10 a.m.
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Miller isn’t my guy lol


Im aware he plays for your #1 rival. But you rank Dobson (who is weak defensively) far too highly. And Pulock as well, you are acting like he is Slavin when he is more like Hanifin.
Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:12 a.m.
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Chychrun can put up points on a a bad team. He hasn’t proven anything else lmao. He had a great season against seven teams in 56 games. And he shot about 400% that year lol.


Lol ok and what about 19/20 when he posted just as strong numbers vs the rest of the league?
Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Im aware he plays for your #1 rival. But you rank Dobson (who is weak defensively) far too highly. And Pulock as well, you are acting like he is Slavin when he is more like Hanifin.


Hanifin is better too lol
Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:12 a.m.
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Im aware he plays for your #1 rival. But you rank Dobson (who is weak defensively) far too highly. And Pulock as well, you are acting like he is Slavin when he is more like Hanifin.


Dobson isn’t weak defensively, he just played with Chara last year lol
Oct. 5, 2022 at 10:14 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Lol ok and what about 19/20 when he posted just as strong numbers vs the rest of the league?


When he had 26 points in 63 games and was plus 4? That’s nothing special. Pulock had more points and a better plus/minus that year too lol
Oct. 5, 2022 at 11:10 a.m.
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Dobson isn’t weak defensively, he just played with Chara last year lol


Using Chara as an excuse is weak, especially considering we are talking about Chychrun here who played on the worst team in the league but was still quite strong defensively.

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When he had 26 points in 63 games and was plus 4? That’s nothing special. Pulock had more points and a better plus/minus that year too lol


Pulock was 25 that year and Chychrun was 21. But I can see this is a waste of time since all you seem to understand is points and +/-, the 2 worst stats for measuring a defenseman's impact
Oct. 5, 2022 at 11:17 a.m.
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Using Chara as an excuse is weak, especially considering we are talking about Chychrun here who played on the worst team in the league but was still quite strong defensively.



Pulock was 25 that year and Chychrun was 21. But I can see this is a waste of time since all you seem to understand is points and +/-, the 2 worst stats for measuring a defenseman's impact


The best way to measure a d man’s impact is how his team drives possession when he is on the ice. Pulock and Pelech have been elite in that regard for the past four or five years.
 
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