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RD for RW

Created by: MoxNix
Published: Oct. 7, 2022 at 2:34 p.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Season Days: 184/185 (99%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Calgary FlamesCalgary Flames

Coincident TransactionInitial StatusNew StatusCap Hit ChangeRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Ritchie, BrettNHLMinor-$745,946-1-----------
Gilbert, DennisNHLMinor-$758,378-1-----------
Välimäki, JuusoNHLMinor-$1,118,919-1-----------
Ruzicka, AdamNHLMinor-$758,378-1-----------
Emilio Pettersen, MathiasNHLMinor-$898,450-1-----------
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Tanev, ChristopherCalgary FlamesNHL-$4,475,676011---0000--
Meloche, NicolasCalgary FlamesNHL-$944,865011---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Batherson, DrakeOttawa SenatorsNHL-$4,948,108011---0000--
Pinto, ShaneWaivers ExemptOttawa SenatorsNHL-$920,000011---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial-$3,540,833284570358
Change$3,832,504-500000
Final$291,671 (↑)23 (↓)4570358000

Logo of the Ottawa SenatorsOttawa Senators

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Batherson, DrakeOttawa SenatorsNHL-$4,948,108011---0000--
Pinto, ShaneWaivers ExemptOttawa SenatorsNHL-$920,000011---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Tanev, ChristopherCalgary FlamesNHL-$4,475,676011---0000--
Meloche, NicolasCalgary FlamesNHL-$944,865011---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$5,690,1192245673513
Change$447,567000000
Final$6,137,686 (↑)2245673513000
Oct. 7, 2022 at 2:36 p.m.
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Finally an Ottawa trade that makes sense for the other team!

Ottawa gets their new first pairing right shot RD plus another right shot RD who's both better and a whole lot cheaper than Zaitsev.
Calgary gets a couple right shot wingers to compete for a spot in the top 6.
Oct. 7, 2022 at 3:28 p.m.
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Quoting: MoxNix
Finally an Ottawa trade that makes sense for the other team!

Ottawa gets their new first pairing right shot RD plus another right shot RD who's both better and a whole lot cheaper than Zaitsev.
Calgary gets a couple right shot wingers to compete for a spot in the top 6.


Sorry man, this is not the price OTT would be willing to pay for Tanev. Batherson is an immediate upgrade in Calgary's top 6 and Pinto is a high end prospect in their pool. I like Tanev a lot, but not that much. And Meloche doesn't really add anything to the deal.

My guess is you're trying to goad a couple OTT guys LOL
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 4:40 p.m.
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sorry but are you on drugs, no way in hell does Ottawa make this trade.
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 5:02 p.m.
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Probably takes Andersson instead of Tanev, which I wouldn’t actually mind too much if it were for Batherson & Pinto but I think OTT fans will still have issues with this since their players are so much better and more valuable than ours, not

Also should keep Meloche if we’re sending one of our top D-Men out and send something else instead

You positive you want to waive Ruzicka as well!?
Oct. 7, 2022 at 5:14 p.m.
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Sorry man, this is not the price OTT would be willing to pay for Tanev. Batherson is an immediate upgrade in Calgary's top 6 and Pinto is a high end prospect in their pool. I like Tanev a lot, but not that much. And Meloche doesn't really add anything to the deal.

My guess is you're trying to goad a couple OTT guys LOL


Goad? No I'm just fed up with their ridiculously one-sided trade proposals. Figured I'd throw it back at them for a change and see how they like it. The difference is this proposal is better for Ottawa than theirs are for the teams they keep trying to rob blind. It actually gives them useful players in their biggest position of need instead of just unloading garbage like all theirs do!

Tanev is an immediate upgrade to Ottawa's top pair, Meloche isn't much but he's bigger, better, younger, more physical, meaner and a whole lot cheaper than Zaitsev.
Oct. 7, 2022 at 5:44 p.m.
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Probably takes Andersson instead of Tanev, which I wouldn’t actually mind too much if it were for Batherson & Pinto but I think OTT fans will still have issues with this since their players are so much better and more valuable than ours, not


I'd consider Andersson for Batherson and Pinto but I probably wouldn't do it. Of course they'd have issues, don't you know all Ottawa players, prospects and future picks are the second coming of Mario Lemieux / Raymond Borque and Jesus Christ rolled into one?

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Also should keep Meloche if we’re sending one of our top D-Men out and send something else instead

You positive you want to waive Ruzicka as well!?


We'd still have Stone to play RD on the 3rd pair and a LD or two we can trade elsewhere. Weegar (who signed an extension last night) would replace Tanev at RD.

Actually I just sent enough players down to make the cap work. Couldn't make up my mind who the last one should be (or who the team might send down or trade elsewhere either) so I just picked Ruzicka to send down because that was the simplest thing to do.
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 5:52 p.m.
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Goad? No I'm just fed up with their ridiculously one-sided trade proposals. Figured I'd throw it back at them for a change and see how they like it. The difference is this proposal is better for Ottawa than theirs are for the teams they keep trying to rob blind. It actually gives them useful players in their biggest position of need instead of just unloading garbage like all theirs do!

Tanev is an immediate upgrade to Ottawa's top pair, Meloche isn't much but he's bigger, better, younger, more physical, meaner and a whole lot cheaper than Zaitsev.


That's all well and good, but you're assuming Zaitsev can be moved. And you're ignoring the fact that you're getting 2 excellent young pieces, one of which immediately moves into the top 6. I'm just saying that OTT can give up less for a Dman to move into their top 4.

BTW, 90% of CapFriendly trades are extremely one sided...........I just shake my head at most of the trades posted here
Oct. 7, 2022 at 5:59 p.m.
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That's all well and good, but you're assuming Zaitsev can be moved. And you're ignoring the fact that you're getting 2 excellent young pieces, one of which immediately moves into the top 6. I'm just saying that OTT can give up less for a Dman to move into their top 4.

BTW, 90% of CapFriendly trades are extremely one sided...........I just shake my head at most of the trades posted here


Oh I'm quite sure Ottawa wouldn't accept it but it's not that far off on value. Certainly a whole lot closer to fair value than any of the trades Ottawa fans post trying to steal a young top pairing RD for cap dumps, mediocre prospects and late picks. Sometimes it's not even a RD (Chychrun) or a even an proven top pair LD (Hague) but it's always a steal for Ottawa.

Also you'll be interested to note I hear Sandin put on 15 or 20 pounds of muscle over the summer. I didn't think he could do it but if it's true I'll value him quite a bit more in the future. wink
Oct. 7, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.
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Oh I'm quite sure Ottawa wouldn't accept it but it's not that far off on value. Certainly a whole lot closer to fair value than any of the trades Ottawa fans post trying to steal a young top pairing RD for cap dumps, mediocre prospects and late picks. Sometimes it's not even a RD (Chychrun) or a even an proven top pair LD (Hague) but it's always a steal for Ottawa.

Also you'll be interested to note I hear Sandin put on 15 or 20 pounds of muscle over the summer. I didn't think he could do it but if it's true I'll value him quite a bit more in the future. wink


Perfect! We'll trade him to you for Weegar LOL

Now that was a great signing...........
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 6:18 p.m.
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Perfect! We'll trade him to you for Weegar LOL

Now that was a great signing...........


Lol, not THAT much and yes it was a great signing it even came in 250k less than I thought it would take.
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 6:25 p.m.
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Quoting: MoxNix
I'd consider Andersson for Batherson and Pinto but I probably wouldn't do it. Of course they'd have issues, don't you know all Ottawa players, prospects and future picks are the second coming of Mario Lemieux / Raymond Borque and Jesus Christ rolled into one?

We'd still have Stone to play RD on the 3rd pair and a LD or two we can trade elsewhere. Weegar (who signed an extension last night) would replace Tanev at RD.

Actually I just sent enough players down to make the cap work. Couldn't make up my mind who the last one should be (or who the team might send down or trade elsewhere either) so I just picked Ruzicka to send down because that was the simplest thing to do.

Meloche is intriguing tbh. Might turn in to the next Gudbransson (PK Specialist) or a More Physical Version of Tanev. He has Good Speed, Passing & Grit, just not very Offensive

Andersson's talking about taking more shots this season, which makes me nervous, cause he doesn't have a Great Shot. Weegar, Hanifin & Stone should be played on the PP over Andersson imo. I hope Andersson has worked on his Shot & Finishing, otherwise he's much better used Defensively than Offensively. I agree with you now that Weegar is best played at RD as well
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 6:30 p.m.
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Meloche is intriguing tbh. Might turn in to the next Gudbransson (PK Specialist) or a More Physical Version of Tanev. He has Good Speed, Passing & Grit, just not very Offensive

Andersson's talking about taking more shots this season, which makes me nervous, cause he doesn't have a Great Shot. Weegar, Hanifin & Stone should be played on the PP over Andersson imo. I hope Andersson has worked on his Shot & Finishing, otherwise he's much better used Defensively than Offensively. I agree with you now that Weegar is best played at RD as well


It's not about the power of the shot though, it's the accuracy. We run into the same problem in TOR with Mo. The PP isn't about blasting it most of the time. A proper run PP has traffic and you want the puck tippable or sneaking through.
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 6:56 p.m.
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It's not about the power of the shot though, it's the accuracy. We run into the same problem in TOR with Mo. The PP isn't about blasting it most of the time. A proper run PP has traffic and you want the puck tippable or sneaking through.

Depends on the skill set. I think that’s 100% accurate on your #1 unit where puck possession, cycling the puck to open up space, pinching, one-timer setups and tipped shots are effective but on unit #2 where you have your bigger guys or net crashers, behind the net possession keepers and garbage pickers, I like a big blast that creates scoring opportunities. It also scares and intimidates the defenders and their goaltender

Stone offers both a hard and accurate shot that goalies have a tough time tracking and holding on too allowing rebounds and 2nd shot opportunities. Lots of times when Stone’s shots get blocked defenders go down and either Stone or another player immediately pick the puck up again and get another shot off

Hanifin offers a great accurate shot that can be deflected and Weegar is a great pincher, one-timer and sniper

Andersson is really none of the above. He’s an okay puck distributor but his shot is neither hard nor accurate, it’s always placed right in to the goalie/logo.

Kylington & Zadorov have decent wrist shots and like to pinch & jump in the play but their shots are often too high and tend to rim around the boards and out giving up odd man rushes the other way or stopping the o-zone possession and creating scrambles
Oct. 10, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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OTT turns down this offer of a declining asset for two young high value pieces.

OTT is not in win-now mode. This is a poor evaluation of asset value
 
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