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(VAN/CHI) - Dickinson and 2024 2nd for Stillman

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Oct. 7, 2022 at 10:50 p.m.
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Trade confirmed: Chicago Blackhawks - Vancouver Canucks
Trade Details
Chicago Blackhawks Acquire:
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Jason Dickinson · $2,650,000$2,650,000$2,700,000
2024 2nd round pick (VAN - #60)
Sum: $2,650,000$2,650,000$2,700,000
Change: +$1,300,000
Change: +$1,300,000
Change: +$1,350,000
Vancouver Canucks Acquire:
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Riley Stillman · $1,350,000$1,350,000$1,350,000
Sum: $1,350,000$1,350,000$1,350,000
Change: -$1,300,000
Change: -$1,300,000
Change: -$1,350,000
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 10:53 p.m.
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It’s fair in my eyes
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 10:53 p.m.
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Couldn't pay me to care
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 10:54 p.m.
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I like it for both sides. VAN has a lot of defenseman to choose from
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 10:56 p.m.
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Two nobodies being moved along with a 2nd to dump the larger contract. Meh

It's too bad dickinson hasn't worked out in VAN as I do think there is a set of skills there that could be useful in the right system. That bet along with the 2nd works this trade out in Chicago's favour I think.

But I find it very funny that VAN needed to pay more to dump him than they did to acquire him.
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 10:58 p.m.
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Two nobodies being moved along with a 2nd to dump the larger contract. Meh

It's too bad dickinson hasn't worked out in VAN as I do think there is a set of skills there that could be useful in the right system. That bet along with the 2nd works this trade out in Chicago's favour I think.

But I find it very funny that VAN needed to pay more to dump him than they did to acquire him.


Uh, look at what Edmonton paid to dump Kassian
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 10:59 p.m.
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Uh, look at what Edmonton paid to dump Kassian


What about it? This is a trade thread involving the Canucks and Hawks
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:01 p.m.
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1.35 million cap for a 2024 2nd basically even the term is the same on the deals. Paid a third to get him in from Dallas to pay a second to get him out. That sucks for Vancouver
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:03 p.m.
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Quoting: FanOfAllTeams
1.35 million cap for a 2024 2nd basically even the term is the same on the deals


Stillman can play and the Canucks are weaker on D than they are with forwards.
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:04 p.m.
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People overrate draft picks. A second round draft pick only has a 70% chance of playing a single game in the NHL and a 1/3 chance of playing 100 or more games. There's a good chance Stillman will play more games for the Canucks than that pick will play in the NHL in total.
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:04 p.m.
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Quoting: CSStrowbridge
Stillman can play and the Canucks are weaker on D than they are with forwards.


Would you want stillman over Dermott or Burroughs?
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:18 p.m.
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So VAN trades a 3rd round pick in 2021 to acquire Dickinson only to trade him away with a 2024 2nd rounder.

Nice 👍
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:21 p.m.
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these players having a mid-off
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
What about it? This is a trade thread involving the Canucks and Hawks


Was comparing cap dumps, that's all
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:32 p.m.
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1.35 million cap for a 2024 2nd basically even the term is the same on the deals. Paid a third to get him in from Dallas to pay a second to get him out. That sucks for Vancouver


Hello? Different regimes made these trades. Every contractual commitment is a risk
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:32 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
So VAN trades a 3rd round pick in 2021 to acquire Dickinson only to trade him away with a 2024 2nd rounder.

Nice 👍


Different regimes made those trades. Important context
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Uh, look at what Edmonton paid to dump Kassian


Didn’t you say Dickinson wasn’t a cap dump…
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Different regimes made those trades. Important context


Another way to look at it as VAN traded a 2nd and a 3rd round pick for 62 games of Jason Dickinson.

Lucky for VAN they have such a deep prospect pool to shell out these picks.
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:41 p.m.
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Quoting: CSStrowbridge
People overrate draft picks. A second round draft pick only has a 70% chance of playing a single game in the NHL and a 1/3 chance of playing 100 or more games. There's a good chance Stillman will play more games for the Canucks than that pick will play in the NHL in total.


While true, I don't think Stillman is going to provide you with any WAR. He's just a bottom 2 Dman body out there. Good enough to play, not really noticeable and replaceable.
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:47 p.m.
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Didn’t you say Dickinson wasn’t a cap dump…


No...
Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:48 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Another way to look at it as VAN traded a 2nd and a 3rd round pick for 62 games of Jason Dickinson.

Lucky for VAN they have such a deep prospect pool to shell out these picks.


Deep prospect pool or not, 2nd and 3rd rounders are far from guaranteed NHLers, and like I said, every multi-year contractual commitment above league minimum is a risk when pen is put to paper
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:48 p.m.
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Quoting: CSStrowbridge
People overrate draft picks. A second round draft pick only has a 70% chance of playing a single game in the NHL and a 1/3 chance of playing 100 or more games. There's a good chance Stillman will play more games for the Canucks than that pick will play in the NHL in total.


And without your 2014 2nd round pick you would not have Thatcher Demko. So pick your poison.
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:54 p.m.
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Quoting: FanOfAllTeams
Would you want stillman over Dermott or Burroughs?


We just lost Myers for about a month, so that's an important factor here.
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Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Deep prospect pool or not, 2nd and 3rd rounders are far from guaranteed NHLers, and like I said, every multi-year contractual commitment above league minimum is a risk when pen is put to paper




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Oct. 7, 2022 at 11:56 p.m.
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And without your 2014 2nd round pick you would not have Thatcher Demko. So pick your poison.


Yes. He's part of the 34% to play 100 or more games. I could counter with "Boston's three 2015 first round draft picks" and try and claim draft picks are worthless.

But when judging a trade, you have to look at the odds and not pick the best or worst case scenario.
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