Okay...?

As you pick the best case scenario for your team….

We don't have to. You came here for free to care.

Kassian makes more then Dickinson and Oilers didn't take cap back? They also basically only paid a 3rd more as the swapping of firsts didn't matter cause they still selected the prospect they wanted.

Alright but you're claims about him we're ridiculously based


He sucks

RIP Jim Benning

Stillman isn't bad cap and he only makes 1.35M against the cap, so that's negligible

Again, just ONE year

If you look at it as Vancouver paying both to dump the contract AND acquire a relatively cheap and cost-controlled young defenseman who can play NHL games, it's not too rich of a price actually

Jason Dickinson's trade history suggests he's worth a 3rd round pick.

This trade involves giving up a 2nd round pick + a 3rd round pick in value for ..... Riley Stillman??



This is absolutely brutal.

The Chicago Blackhawks win the trade.

Chicago wins, sure the Nucks dump a bit of cap and get a 6/7 D but that 2nd is by far the most valuable piece in this trade

You're not wrong about the likelihood of a prospect playing in the NHL, but that's a pretty flimsy defense of trading away picks like they mean nothing. Sure, a 2nd has a chance to be a complete bust who never plays or it has a very small chance of being a player like DeBrincat. Vancouver's chance of hitting on that pick is now zero.

I dont know why people talk about Dickinson's value being a 3rd not a 2nd. His value is next to zero for chicago, except if they can flip him at TDL.

The real deal is a 2nd for Stillman + 2.6M in capspace, which tells us incoming deals will have to heavily overpay for capspace...

people underate draft picks. they are token to be used to move bad contracts and trade for good players.

Thanks for Bedard Vancouver!

This whole offseason has shown how ridiculously valued cap space is now. I wouldn't be shocked to see an absolute bloodbath on the waiver wire on Monday morning.

I'm looking foward to it! But not so many teams can take on salary. It might just be a lot if waived players and no claims.

The Canucks already had an avenue to become cap compliant prior to making this trade. Michael Ferland is LTIRetired. So this trade wasn't about becoming compliant. What happens now is that they can place Ferland on IR instead of LTIR, and keep things open to make a big acquisition later in the season or at the trade deadline.

They can assign Stillman to the minors, and they will get back 1.125M in cap space. That gives the Canucks 436k worth of cap space, with a 21 player roster. While 1 healthy scratch is tricky, we have seen teams use that slim of a roster over the last few years due to the salary cap.

That allows the Canucks to bank that 436k towards the trade deadline. With LTIR, they wouldn't have been able to bank that cap space. Additionally, they have the option of acquiring a star player earlier in the season, because they can still place Ferland on LTIR after acquiring that player.

That might explain why this didn't cost that much. Vancouver didn't HAVE to make this move to become compliant. They wanted to make the move to gain more flexibility over their cap.

I suspect they will waive Stillman, because he wasn't good last season, they don't need him, and his cap hit exceeds the buried cap threshold. If they waive for example Kyle Burroughs, they will only get back 750k in cap. If they waive Stillman, they will get back 1.125M in cap. No one is likely to claim Stillman anyways, so instead of sitting in the press box, he can play top minutes in the AHL and get called up when needed. With the benefit that Vancouver banks more cap space by waiving him instead of a cheaper player.

It isn't overrating them or underrating them, people, including you, misunderstand what draft picks are in the NHL.

Saying it only has 70 percent chance to play, and Stillman is already an NHLer, is a complete misunderstanding of how draft picks are used or function in the league. Which is ironic, since you are dressing other people down for also misunderstanding.

Draft picks are a STORE OF VALUE. Teams cannot hoard players beyond a certain point due to waivers, and the salary cap. When a team can no longer keep a player, they trade them for a draft pick because draft picks are currency. Theoretically, there will come a time when Chicago either trades a 2nd round pick for a player who is better than Stillman, or if they use that pick to draft a prospect, it will make their pool deeper, which by proxy will enable them to trade draft picks in the future for other assets.

If teams followed your logic, we wouldn't have a trade deadline, because the 15-20 games or whatever that these rentals would play if not traded would be worth more than a 3rd-7th round pick.

No more dickinson revenge tour...

Getting a 2nd in a VERY deep draft is pretty great, even tho we’re giving up Stillman, I doubt he’ll move past a 3rd pairing defenseman long term.

Good deal for Chicago.

This is a really solid deal for both sides. The Canucks get a solid 3rd pairing defensemen with 2nd pairing potential. Stillman is a physical presence (led the Hawks in hits last season) while also showing offensive competence. Stillman had 1 more point in +10 fewer games than Dickinson. I’d value Stillman at about a 4th round pick, + a 3rd to dump the cap of Dickinson (who might even pan out in Chicago) - makes for a win-win deal for both teams. When you break it down into smaller pieces and look into Stillman’s individual value, it isn’t that bad. 2nd round picks are important, but so is cap flexibility when 4 key players are on IR

Moving up in the 1st round is expensive business. The difference between pick 29 and pick 32 is essentially viewed the same as a late 1st and an early 2nd (which usually requires a 3rd/4th to slide up).

To move Kassian, Edmonton gave up a 2nd, 3rd, a 3rd/4th(for sliding down in the draft) + only to select a player they could’ve had in the 2nd round. Meanwhile, had they kept pick 29, they could’ve drafted Brad Lambert or taken a flyer on a rare prospect such as Lamoureux. The asset management in Edmonton’s case was far more destructive to the future of their team than Vancouver’s

Kassian was on the Oilers for 7 years, Dickson was a Canuck for 1 season

Not sure how that is relevant. The contract they gave to Kassian and ultimately unloaded was an unforced error