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Myers out 2-4 weeks

Created by: Richard88
Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 8, 2022
Published: Oct. 8, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Yikes this D core is bad, even more so with Myers out for a few weeks.
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1.
WPG
    On waivers today
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    VAN
      Montreal have rich owners who can pay the insurance on Ferland's contract, and are rebuilding so want extra picks.
      MTL
      1. Ferland, Micheal
      2. 2024 3rd round pick (VAN)
      3. 2024 4th round pick (VAN)
      Additional Details:
      Getting rid of the LTIR hit so they can accrue cap this season for the TDL.
      Buyouts
      DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
      2023
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      2024
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      2025
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      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      23$82,500,000$79,964,584$1,250,000$2,082,500$2,535,416
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      $5,250,000$5,250,000
      C, LW, RW
      UFA - 1
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      $6,650,000$6,650,000
      RW
      UFA - 3
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      $950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1
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      $7,350,000$7,350,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 2
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      $4,950,000$4,950,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 4
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      $4,750,000$4,750,000
      LW, RW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 4
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      $4,125,000$4,125,000
      C
      UFA - 1
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      $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
      RW, LW
      RFA - 2
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      $891,667$891,667 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
      LW, RW
      RFA - 1
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      $883,750$883,750 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
      C
      RFA - 2
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      $1,000,000$1,000,000
      RW, C
      UFA - 3
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      $3,250,000$3,250,000
      LW
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      UFA - 2
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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      $7,850,000$7,850,000
      LD
      UFA - 5
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      $850,000$850,000
      RD
      UFA - 1
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      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      G
      UFA - 4
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      $7,260,000$7,260,000
      LD
      NMC
      UFA - 5
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      $2,500,000$2,500,000
      RD
      UFA - 3
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      $762,500$762,500
      G
      UFA - 2
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      $1,500,000$1,500,000
      LD/RD
      UFA - 1
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      $766,667$766,667
      RD
      UFA - 3
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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      $750,000$750,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 1
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      $6,000,000$6,000,000
      RD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $750,000$750,000
      LD/RD
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $1,350,000$1,350,000
      LD
      RFA - 2

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      Oct. 8, 2022 at 10:31 a.m.
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      Either claiming Kovacevic or trading for Bear (or both) would be a smart move right now for Vancouver
      Oct. 8, 2022 at 10:43 a.m.
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      "Montreal have rich owners who can pay the insurance on Ferland's contract"

      I don't think you understand how insurance work... And Ferland's contract is uninsured, so it's a no for that weak return.

      Finally, I'm pretty sure that if Vancouver paid a 2nd for Stillman, it's not to make him eat hotdogs on the gallery but to play.
      Oct. 8, 2022 at 10:47 a.m.
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      Quoting: jpsnow13
      "Montreal have rich owners who can pay the insurance on Ferland's contract"

      I don't think you understand how insurance work... And Ferland's contract is uninsured, so it's a no for that weak return.

      Finally, I'm pretty sure that if Vancouver paid a 2nd for Stillman, it's not to make him eat hotdogs on the gallery but to play.


      They paid a 2nd to get rid of Dickinson contract but needed help on D because of the injuries
      A 2nd just to dump Dickinson was a lot but they get a serviceable #7 dman in return
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      Oct. 8, 2022 at 11:01 a.m.
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      Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
      Either claiming Kovacevic or trading for Bear (or both) would be a smart move right now for Vancouver


      Carolina don't need to trade Bear now that they've waived Martinook and have Gardiner to go on LTIR. In fact I think they prefer to keep him to help them be as close to the cap ceiling to maximise LTIR relief.
      Oct. 8, 2022 at 11:03 a.m.
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      Quoting: jpsnow13
      "Montreal have rich owners who can pay the insurance on Ferland's contract"

      I don't think you understand how insurance work... And Ferland's contract is uninsured, so it's a no for that weak return.

      Finally, I'm pretty sure that if Vancouver paid a 2nd for Stillman, it's not to make him eat hotdogs on the gallery but to play.


      I worded it poorly but what I meant is that Montreal can pay the "insurance" (i.e. NON-insirance) since it's not insured.

      Vancouver didn't pay a 2nd for Stillman. The 2nd was to dump Dickinson. Stillman was just a body going the other way.
      Oct. 8, 2022 at 11:27 a.m.
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      Carolina don't need to trade Bear now that they've waived Martinook and have Gardiner to go on LTIR. In fact I think they prefer to keep him to help them be as close to the cap ceiling to maximise LTIR relief.


      Maybe, I imagine Ferland would be going back along with a pick
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      Oct. 8, 2022 at 11:30 a.m.
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      I think Kovacevic will get picked up by MTL.
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      Oct. 8, 2022 at 11:32 a.m.
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      If Ferlands contract was insured, then yeah makes sense. Habs get draft picks for essentially dead cap and help Vancouver not have to use LTIR to start the year. Problem is Ferlands contract isn't insured and paying what essentially comes out to 2.75M in actual real dollars for the cap burden and 3rd and 4th is simply not worth it IMO. Got to think a 2nd rounder is needed for anyone to consider doing this deal.

      The reason Ferland is probably not a Coyote right now is precisely because that contract isn't insured.
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      Oct. 8, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      I worded it poorly but what I meant is that Montreal can pay the "insurance" (i.e. NON-insirance) since it's not insured.

      Vancouver didn't pay a 2nd for Stillman. The 2nd was to dump Dickinson. Stillman was just a body going the other way.


      A cap dump transaction where you take a (longer) contract back isn't really a cap dump, isn't it...
      Oct. 8, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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      Quoting: jpsnow13
      A cap dump transaction where you take a (longer) contract back isn't really a cap dump, isn't it...


      Are you saying you tjink Dickinson at $2.75m X 2 years had positive trade value despite losing his roster spot to Nils Åman?
      Oct. 8, 2022 at 12:10 p.m.
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      Quoting: Richard88
      Are you saying you tjink Dickinson at $2.75m X 2 years had positive trade value despite losing his roster spot to Nils Åman?


      Not what I'm saying at all.

      Like I said up here, Stillman was the desired return for Vancouver (with injuries to Dermott and Myers). Dickinson "was just was just caphit going the other way"
      Oct. 8, 2022 at 12:19 p.m.
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      Not what I'm saying at all.

      Like I said up here, Stillman was the desired return for Vancouver (with injuries to Dermott and Myers). Dickinson "was just was just caphit going the other way"


      Nah, dumping Dickinson was clearly the centerpiece of the deal.
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      Oct. 8, 2022 at 1:39 p.m.
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      Edited Oct. 8, 2022 at 1:49 p.m.
      Quoting: Richard88
      Nah, dumping Dickinson was clearly the centerpiece of the deal.


      I believe you are correct and Van probably felt the need for depth on defense more then depth at forward plus it frees up cap space to maybe do something more later.

      If they keep and demote Dickinson its a $1.5M cap hit to the Canucks, they send Stillman down and its only $200K against their cap.
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