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Nov. 17, 2022 at 3:02 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 17, 2022 at 3:18 p.m.
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I mean just ask FLA fans about Weegar or NJD fans about Severson (two guys who Leaf fans love trading for) about bad turnovers or brain farts. There is no question Sandin is fighting it right now with his confidence but again it’s shocking that a guy who is leading the team in hits and has some really good offensive metrics right now getting so much heat for a couple of bad plays. This is a case of the eye test deceiving you.

I’m an honestly more surprised there are not more fans complaining how they are utilizing Robertson. This is a kid who has battles injuries the past two seasons, hadn’t played much, and are now having him sit in the press box. It’s crazy how they are killing his development. Just send him down to the minors.


I think Keefe wants to see what hes got then eventually a pressbox trip for Engvall is coming as hes running out of spots. As he did say Robertson is coming back for most likely the weekend (back to back and Engvall see yah party). Cause if Holmberg takes the 3c spot and with Robertson having better drive numbers yeah Engvall might be gone soon.

As to me Holmberg also deserves to play. Kid royally embarrassed Gutntzel with that pass between the guys legs.

Cause in the end we know

Robertson works on every line (but the 4th) Engvall has not shown a spark and might need to go reunite with his buddy in Van as since Mikheyev left hes not been the same

As he has played 10/14 games which really isnt bad. As if we look at how it could be worse McMichael has only played 5 of the Capitals 18 games
Nov. 17, 2022 at 7:42 p.m.
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Keefe and Dean Chynoweth need to practice Dzone exits with the Dman

Sandin and Holl especially need it rn

Luckily for Sandin he didnt do a highlight giveaway instead Holl did it. Like what I notice about the leafs they never use the glass for exits or clear the puck
Nov. 17, 2022 at 8:08 p.m.
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Yeah dont know what the **** Benn was thinking there

Yes you were doing well but u let it get to your head and turned it over for another easy goal

Enough gifts
Nov. 17, 2022 at 8:36 p.m.
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Keefe and Dean Chynoweth need to practice Dzone exits with the Dman

Sandin and Holl especially need it rn

Luckily for Sandin he didnt do a highlight giveaway instead Holl did it. Like what I notice about the leafs they never use the glass for exits or clear the puck


Dzone exits, joining the rush, turnovers, man Brodie be missed rn lul

Murray be working to keep this a 1 goal but man idk how long he can keep it up with all the turnovers.
Nov. 17, 2022 at 8:53 p.m.
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Murray honestly keeping us in this game

Just wish the D would stop giving him so many odd man rushes to deal with

Those 2 goals were basically turnovers that lead to easy goals on his weak side.
Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:00 p.m.
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Im a big fan of Pontus Holmberg
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:04 p.m.
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Sandin-Liligren pairing is giving me concerns

To many questionable plays and getting hemmed in to often

When Brodie comes back and until a trade is made

Rielly-Benn (until we can get someone)
Sandin-Brodie
Gio-Liligren
Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:34 p.m.
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Lucky to get a point, thank you Murray and Bill Nylander.

Man the Lesfs are slow, NJD is for real. Couldn’t create anything off the rush.

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Athanasiou could be a nice add at some point
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:35 p.m.
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We desperately need a true defensive defenseman. I'd be calling Columbus about Gavrikov or Peeke sooner rather than later.
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:36 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Lucky to get a point, thank you Murray and Bill Nylander.

Man the Lesfs are slow, NJD is for real. Couldn’t create anything off the rush.

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Athanasiou could be a nice add at some point


I was a huge advocate for signing Athanasiou this offseason. He is extremely fast, has a nice scoring touch, and doesn't get pushed around
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:36 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Lucky to get a point, thank you Murray and Bill Nylander.

Man the Lesfs are slow, NJD is for real. Couldn’t create anything off the rush.

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Athanasiou could be a nice add at some point


Keefe needs to shuffle to OT starters

Litterally only change was JT over Matthews still kept Marner and Rielly for it and we know the OT stats with those 2

The chart still stands where they are like what 20 goals against and 1 goal for in OT like come on

Rielly and Marner just dont got it for OT starts these days. Switch it up. Go with Matthews-Nylander-Liligren or something
Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:41 p.m.
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Keefe's logic in OT makes no sense

Matthews and Nylander scored both goals yet he starts Tavares and Marner who didnt look great

And throw in Rielly who in OT is kind of a mess I knew this was coming

As it seems OT has become the shootout for us

GIMMIE MATTHEWS-NYLANDER-Whoever for 3 on 3 **** this Whoever at C-Marner-Rielly bull**** it aint working
Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Nathaniel
I was a huge advocate for signing Athanasiou this offseason. He is extremely fast, has a nice scoring touch, and doesn't get pushed around


Only problem is injuries
Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:44 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Lucky to get a point, thank you Murray and Bill Nylander.

Man the Lesfs are slow, NJD is for real. Couldn’t create anything off the rush.

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Athanasiou could be a nice add at some point


When Brodie comes back our D should be better but we need another guy fast. Holl is not it and Benn I feel is like a cheap band aid but we need someone better

As man got to respect Murray he kept us in that but holy **** our D coach and Keefe got to work on exits.
Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:50 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
When Brodie comes back our D should be better but we need another guy fast. Holl is not it and Benn I feel is like a cheap band aid but we need someone better

As man got to respect Murray he kept us in that but holy **** our D coach and Keefe got to work on exits.


I dont know how you can watch that game and come away with the opinion that the D is the issue here.

We need offense desperately
Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:51 p.m.
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Only problem is injuries


I raise you Matt Murray, Ilya Samsonov, Ondrej Kase, etc.
Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:52 p.m.
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I dont know how you can watch that game and come away with the opinion that the D is the issue here.

We need offense desperately


For the most part I agree, but with Muzzin gone we are missing a definitive defensive defenseman. That being said, we need to address the forward depth and add a top 6 forward. Kerfoot and Engvall have been detrimental to the Leafs success this season. Nothing but garbage plays. If only there were a young scoring winger we could inject into the lineup...
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Nathaniel
We desperately need a true defensive defenseman. I'd be calling Columbus about Gavrikov or Peeke sooner rather than later.


Gavrikov scares me.

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Like his rush defence but that’s about it. It’s fair to question is this just because he is on a **** team but these numbers are concerning
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:54 p.m.
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I dont know how you can watch that game and come away with the opinion that the D is the issue here.

We need offense desperately


Preach
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:55 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Gavrikov scares me.

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Like his rush defence but that’s about it. It’s fair to question is this just because he is on a **** team but these numbers are concerning


I really like Gavrikov, but he isn't the top 4 defenseman we need. He would succeed on the third pair. I should have precaded that he's my choice for defensive depth while Peeke is my choice for a genuine defensive defenseman.
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:55 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Gavrikov scares me.

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Like his rush defence but that’s about it. It’s fair to question is this just because he is on a **** team but these numbers are concerning


Did not realise he was that bad recently. In the past he has been excellent and exactly what we need (if we need more ld)
Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:57 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Gavrikov scares me.

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Like his rush defence but that’s about it. It’s fair to question is this just because he is on a **** team but these numbers are concerning


I'd put more stock into his previous seasons where he has a legitimately good track record rather than 250mins on this god awful CBJ team.

Still though, even though I like the player, I just don't see how it makes sense to go for a LD and force Sandin to the right.
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 9:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Nathaniel
I raise you Matt Murray, Ilya Samsonov, Ondrej Kase, etc.


I mean Kase played more games than Athinoseau last season

28 aint great
Nov. 17, 2022 at 10:00 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Gavrikov scares me.

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Like his rush defence but that’s about it. It’s fair to question is this just because he is on a **** team but these numbers are concerning


Connor Murphy is more of a target to me

Put him with Rielly and then try Sandin-Brodie followed by a nice third pairing of Gio-Liligren
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Nov. 17, 2022 at 10:00 p.m.
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Did not realise he was that bad recently. In the past he has been excellent and exactly what we need (if we need more ld)


CLB is a tire fire so again it’s fair to question if he was on a better team how effective he could be. But he is not someone I’d target
 
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