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Buffalo Sabres signed Mattias Samuelsson (7 Years / $4,285,714 AAV)

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Oct. 12, 2022 at 7:14 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
This type of contract is needed right now if they want to have some good-value deals in their (future) contention window. Might be steep now, but in a few years, they'll be glad they did it early.


Is he good? He's played about half an NHL season. I'm all for smart gamble's but.... This just seems really early
Oct. 12, 2022 at 7:15 p.m.
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Quoting: ElectroMan
He's a top 4 d man making 4.2M. He would be the 71st highest paid d man. That's already a fair value contract. He put up good results in the top pair. It can turn into a massive steal.

Marino & Klefbom were both good? No clue what you're point is. Marino didn't get traded because he was bad. He got traded because of Malkin/Letang cap crunch.

You literally used points to evaluate a defensive d man. Instead of admitting you know nothing about the player, you refuse to admit you were wrong.

It's called locking up your promising young players to good deals before the value skyrockets. What we should've done with Reinhart/McCabe instead of bridging them until they leave.


Is he a top 4 dman? He's played 20 minutes for 42 NHL games... That's not a lot...
Oct. 12, 2022 at 7:26 p.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
Is he good? He's played about half an NHL season. I'm all for smart gamble's but.... This just seems really early


Samuelsson is a pretty decent DFD, kind of hard to tell how good because well it's Buffalo but he should continue to grow into a top 4, maybe eventually fringe top 2 role as a DFD, won't get many points, but he'll keep the puck out of the net
Oct. 12, 2022 at 7:42 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Samuelsson is a pretty decent DFD, kind of hard to tell how good because well it's Buffalo but he should continue to grow into a top 4, maybe eventually fringe top 2 role as a DFD, won't get many points, but he'll keep the puck out of the net


Can anyone say that with confidence? He's played under 3/4 of a season. Plenty of guys have looked good for a bit. Seems super premature.
Oct. 12, 2022 at 7:43 p.m.
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Can anyone say that with confidence? He's played under 3/4 of a season. Plenty of guys have looked good for a bit. Seems super premature.


It definitely is premature but they're paying for future performances and right now, Samuelsson's future performance is looking very good
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Oct. 12, 2022 at 7:52 p.m.
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I get the cap rising and everything... but he's being paid over 100,000 more a season than Devon Toews
Oct. 12, 2022 at 8:10 p.m.
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I get the cap rising and everything... but he's being paid over 100,000 more a season than Devon Toews


Toews got paid at the start of covid. I don't think teams were sure at what the future of the cap was going to be. I know some people though we'd have a flat cap for a while.
Oct. 12, 2022 at 8:12 p.m.
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Again, he played 140 minutes with Dahlin out of 715 5v5 minutes. So saying he plays top pair like it's an established thing is extremely misleading.


Nobody said he spent the whole year with him. That's where he plays right now and that's where he played during the last stretch of games.

" So saying he plays top pair like it's an established thing is extremely misleading" That's literally where he's playing lmao.
Oct. 12, 2022 at 9:11 p.m.
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That’s like a month worth of minutes.


Yup. And most of them didn't go so great on the scoreboard, either.
Oct. 12, 2022 at 9:17 p.m.
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It definitely is premature but they're paying for future performances and right now, Samuelsson's future performance is looking very good


Just seems reaaaallly early. Even if they waited the holiday break and he had 80-100 gp it would make more sense.
Oct. 12, 2022 at 10:10 p.m.
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Must be related to Zaitsev.
Oct. 13, 2022 at 8:15 a.m.
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Buffalo is going to sink or swim with their young core and Samuelsson is a part of that core. Given that Buffalo isn't a highly attractive destination for most top end UFA's and even trade targets if they have NTC's (Murray for example). In that aspect this was a smart signing by Adams to lock up the guy they see as Dahlins partner for the next 8 seasons. This also incentivizes Dahlin to extend next off-season knowing he now has his D partner and Coach both extended.

They are barely above the cap floor, and shouldn't be approaching the cap ceiling for at least a few years. If they do start approaching the cap ceiling it would be due to a whole bunch of young players breaking out, and that would be a hell of a good problem to have. If he continues at his level of play they expect it's a great deal, and if he falters to a 3rd pairing level Dman that extra 1.5 million isn't going to be the difference between keeping one of their top players or not.
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Oct. 13, 2022 at 9:14 a.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
This type of contract is needed right now if they want to have some good-value deals in their (future) contention window. Might be steep now, but in a few years, they'll be glad they did it early.


or they will regret it and he will be the next ZAITSEV
Oct. 13, 2022 at 1:41 p.m.
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Quoting: ElectroMan
He's a top 4 d man making 4.2M. He would be the 71st highest paid d man. That's already a fair value contract. He put up good results in the top pair. It can turn into a massive steal.

Marino & Klefbom were both good? No clue what you're point is. Marino didn't get traded because he was bad. He got traded because of Malkin/Letang cap crunch.

You literally used points to evaluate a defensive d man. Instead of admitting you know nothing about the player, you refuse to admit you were wrong.

It's called locking up your promising young players to good deals before the value skyrockets. What we should've done with Reinhart/McCabe instead of bridging them until they leave.

No. He is already one of the highest paid 2nd pairing dman.
Oct. 13, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.
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No. He is already one of the highest paid 2nd pairing dman.


He's making 925k right now?
Oct. 13, 2022 at 3:13 p.m.
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High cost for the short term, but has the potential to be a really good team value.
Oct. 13, 2022 at 6:55 p.m.
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Quoting: ElectroMan
He's making 925k right now?


Yeah. Like I wasn't referring to his new contract and the fact he will be the 71st hight paid dman. Geez man, buy a clue.
Oct. 13, 2022 at 10:54 p.m.
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
Yeah. Like I wasn't referring to his new contract and the fact he will be the 71st hight paid dman. Geez man, buy a clue.


Because he won't be the 71st highest paid d man when his contract actually starts? Use your brain.
Oct. 14, 2022 at 7:12 p.m.
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It's a bad deal. It can become an okay deal. It doesn't change that they would have gotten the same deal next year even if he would have a great 22-23 season... no point of making this deal
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Oct. 15, 2022 at 12:09 a.m.
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Quoting: ColonelX
Long time I haven't seen a Chayka's special, we'll see how this one turns out.
If he hits his 2LD ceiling the contract isn't even much of a bargain (more like going rate than anything else) so I don't see the upside considering they'll have other dman to spend money on soon.


Incorrect on the going rate buddy. The cap will be going up by so much that this will look like a bargain for a 2d if he makes it. This deal is still very high risk high reward.
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Oct. 20, 2022 at 9:10 a.m.
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It's a bad deal. It can become an okay deal. It doesn't change that they would have gotten the same deal next year even if he would have a great 22-23 season... no point of making this deal


With 4m cap increase announced this deal is great. And the way he is playing...they where not signing him for less than 5 or 6 next year if they wanted 7 years.
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Jan. 11, 2023 at 8:58 a.m.
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This thread is hilarious. Why even comment about a player if you know nothing about them. So many comments about his points or that he's a 3rd pair d man.

A top pair defensive d man making 4.2M for the next 7 years what a steal.
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Jan. 11, 2023 at 9:28 a.m.
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Quoting: Cody_Eakin
This thread is hilarious. Why even comment about a player if you know nothing about them.


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Jan. 11, 2023 at 9:56 a.m.
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Quoting: Cody_Eakin
This thread is hilarious. Why even comment about a player if you know nothing about them. So many comments about his points or that he's a 3rd pair d man.

A top pair defensive d man making 4.2M for the next 7 years what a steal.


I'm personally not a huge fan of players like this. You have to produce offense to be in the NHL IMO. I think DFD are a dying bread in the NHL for a good reason. He's 22 so he's going to get better, but I still personally don't like this contract.
Jan. 11, 2023 at 11:07 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
I'm personally not a huge fan of players like this. You have to produce offense to be in the NHL IMO. I think DFD are a dying bread in the NHL for a good reason. He's 22 so he's going to get better, but I still personally don't like this contract.


I completely disagree. Defensive d men play a huge part in great teams. Erik Cernak, Hjalmarsson, Brooks Orpik etc.. You can look at every stanley cup team and they have a guy like him.

He makes life a lot easier for Dahlin who is coincidentally having a norris caliber season.
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