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Leafs defense needs a makeover

Created by: Celtorino
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 16, 2022
Published: Oct. 16, 2022
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I really just enjoy looking at the Defense and not seeing Muzzin and Holl there. Let me know how wrong you think I am 👍
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NYI
  1. Muzzin, Jake
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
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TOR
  1. Schenn, Luke
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (VAN)
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TOR
  1. 2023 4th round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (VAN)
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Oct. 16, 2022 at 1:29 a.m.
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Vancouver declines. We need Schenn, we don't need Kerfoot.
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Oct. 16, 2022 at 1:30 a.m.
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Edited Oct. 16, 2022 at 1:39 a.m.
Every season Leafs fans love to pick out a defenseman and complain about them. Gardiner, Hainsey, Ceci, Holl and now Muzzin. The reality is that no matter what you do it will never work because the basis is flawed. These players are being asked to shutdown opponents top lines because Morgan Rielly cannot play in the defensive zone. It doesn't matter who you put there because when you have no cap like the Leafs, it's always going to be a flawed fit. Rielly is paid as a top pairing defenseman but he is completely unsuited to the role and only brings a positive impact when he is paired with a suitable 'top pairing' like defenseman. The defensive flaws of the team have always rolled downhill from that in needing 3 top pairingish defensemen, 2 to actually play against opponents top lines and 1 to play with Rielly to cover for his defensive **** ups.
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Oct. 16, 2022 at 1:31 a.m.
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Canucks need Schenn more than Kerfoot
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Oct. 16, 2022 at 1:33 a.m.
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Muzzin - Holl 2 goals-for 2 against
Rielly - Brodie 2 goals for 5 against

Rielly has been on the ice for 6 goals against. Maybe point the finger somewhere else 🤷‍♂️
Oct. 16, 2022 at 2:02 a.m.
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It would probably take a first and another asset to dump Muzzin. You aren’t getting a top four defenseman for a cap dump and a second round pick. What a joke! Muzzin might not even be better than Aho 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oct. 16, 2022 at 2:05 a.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Muzzin - Holl 2 goals-for 2 against
Rielly - Brodie 2 goals for 5 against

Rielly has been on the ice for 6 goals against. Maybe point the finger somewhere else 🤷‍♂️


I think it’s kind of weird to criticize Reilly and defend Muzzin a few games into the season because of their goal differential. I wouldn’t trust Muzzin to defend a parked car, but at least Reilly can move the puck well.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 2:14 a.m.
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I think it’s kind of weird to criticize Reilly and defend Muzzin a few games into the season because of their goal differential. I wouldn’t trust Muzzin to defend a parked car, but at least Reilly can move the puck well.


Meanwhile Muzzin has had 2 very good defensive games in a row as well as being the Leafs best defenseman against Tampa in the playoffs.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 2:28 a.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Muzzin - Holl 2 goals-for 2 against
Rielly - Brodie 2 goals for 5 against

Rielly has been on the ice for 6 goals against. Maybe point the finger somewhere else 🤷‍♂️


I think its just early and were going this aint great

Once Liligren comes we will see a pairing change but I think its just a simple case of

Muzzin-Holl problems moving over to another pairing

Seems to have also happened with our top line as ironically our 2nd line of Malgin-JT-Nylander feels more like how the Matthews line was

Weird season so far
Oct. 16, 2022 at 2:34 a.m.
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Meanwhile Muzzin has had 2 very good defensive games in a row as well as being the Leafs best defenseman against Tampa in the playoffs.


Best defenseman on the leafs…. That’s like saying the best winger on the Islanders Lmao. Might be worse lmao.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 2:45 a.m.
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Best defenseman on the leafs…. That’s like saying the best winger on the Islanders Lmao. Might be worse lmao.


Meanwhile the Leafs were a top 10 defensive team last season and so far are allowing fewer shots per game than the Islanders.
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Oct. 16, 2022 at 6:45 a.m.
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luke schenn would be the leafs 7th best defenceman right now, and that's not counting liljegren
Oct. 16, 2022 at 10:08 a.m.
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Meanwhile the Leafs were a top 10 defensive team last season and so far are allowing fewer shots per game than the Islanders.


They gave up a lot of shots against florida, and very few against Anaheim. But it’s two games into the season.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 10:43 a.m.
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Every season Leafs fans love to pick out a defenseman and complain about them. Gardiner, Hainsey, Ceci, Holl and now Muzzin.


It's early in season but it does seem that Muzzin is having some troubles out there.

As for Gardiner and Holl, they fall into the category of defensemen who play big minutes and have made a "mistake" or two (which is normal) in the playoffs that may have been costly. So they become the scapegoat for playoff woes, especially if they are deemed to be consistently messing up over multiple post-seasons like Gardiner. Similar to them is Weegar, who some Florida fans wanted gone for "costing them" back-to back rounds against Tampa.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 10:53 a.m.
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It would probably take a first and another asset to dump Muzzin. You aren’t getting a top four defenseman for a cap dump and a second round pick. What a joke! Muzzin might not even be better than Aho 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Muzzin is better than at least 60% of the Isles Defence only people better are Pulock,Pelech,Dobson. Mayfield is really meh but an Upgrade over Holl. I still wouldn’t do that trade no matter who you are. But if Muzz stays healthy his value is definitely acceptable
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:00 a.m.
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Muzzin is better than at least 60% of the Isles Defence only people better are Pulock,Pelech,Dobson. Mayfield is really meh but an Upgrade over Holl. I still wouldn’t do that trade no matter who you are. But if Muzz stays healthy his value is definitely acceptable


Muzzin is horrendous. He’s not even better than Aho.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:02 a.m.
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Muzzin is horrendous. He’s not even better than Aho.


You gonna use the eye test or give me stats to back up your claim?, He has the occasional mistake but the only issue had been his health, if he stays healthy he has value
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:13 a.m.
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You gonna use the eye test or give me stats to back up your claim?, He has the occasional mistake but the only issue had been his health, if he stays healthy he has value


I mean Muzzin’s metrics have been posted a thousand times on this site. This trade was posted the day after Mayfield and Salo each had two goals. The isles don’t need Muzzin lmao. Let it go bro. We don’t want ur trash.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:15 a.m.
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I mean Muzzin’s metrics have been posted a thousand times on this site. This trade was posted the day after Mayfield and Salo each had two goals. The isles don’t need Muzzin lmao. Let it go bro. We don’t want ur trash.


Wow 2 Goals against The Ducks?, Cause that’s what they are high scoring defensemen. Ffs I guess Holl is looking fantastic then, he scored the GWG yesterday with 1:55 to go in the 3rd so you know he’s clutch too definitely better than Barzal who has 0 goals
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:18 a.m.
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Wow 2 Goals against The Ducks?, Cause that’s what they are high scoring defensemen. Ffs I guess Holl is looking fantastic then, he scored the GWG yesterday with 1:55 to go in the 3rd so you know he’s clutch too definitely better than Barzal who has 0 goals


Mayfield has been a top four caliber righty d for the past five years now, and he’s on the isles 3rd pair. Romanov has been fantastic so far, and Salo has been really good too. Muzzin isn’t an upgrade on any of those guys.

I’m sorry Kyle Dubas is such a bad Gm he makes Lou look like a ****ing genius sometimes. That doesn’t mean you need to take ur frustrations out on the rest of us.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:23 a.m.
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Wow 2 Goals against The Ducks?, Cause that’s what they are high scoring defensemen. Ffs I guess Holl is looking fantastic then, he scored the GWG yesterday with 1:55 to go in the 3rd so you know he’s clutch too definitely better than Barzal who has 0 goals


R u seriously gonna criticize a win over the ducks when the leafs were playing the sens? I’m not saying the Sens aren’t better…. But wtf bro. Have some perspective. There’s no reason a dude from LI should know more about hockey than someone from Toronto. Jesus H Christ.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:24 a.m.
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Mayfield has been a top four caliber righty d for the past five years now, and he’s on the isles 3rd pair. Romanov has been fantastic so far, and Salo has been really good too. Muzzin isn’t an upgrade on any of those guys.

I’m sorry Kyle Dubas is such a bad Gm he makes Lou look like a ****ing genius sometimes. That doesn’t mean you need to take ur frustrations out on the rest of us.


“ I’m sorry Kyle Dubas is such a bad Gm”

Lou makes Kyle look like Einstein Bud, Your D was set before Lou got there (Thankfully or else he would’ve tried to pick some from the KHL Zaitsev & Ozhiganov 🤮). Mayfield is a Top 4 Guy no disrespect towards him but he is also an expiring deal & is 29. 2nd to try & say Aho & Romanov are better than Muzzin is just false, when Muzzin is healthy he is a great Top 4 D, when he isn’t he is negative value. We’ll see how the season goes but something tells me by March you won’t be singing the same tune about a man who hoisted 2 Cups
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
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R u seriously gonna criticize a win over the ducks when the leafs were playing the sens? I’m not saying the Sens aren’t better…. But wtf bro. Have some perspective. There’s no reason a dude from LI should know more about hockey than someone from Toronto. Jesus H Christ.

Wow what a comeback, you used goals to justify your point then crawl into a hole of insults when your whole dynamic is used against you, You don’t know more about Hockey or you wouldn’t claim goals to say a Defensemen is better than another
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:28 a.m.
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“ I’m sorry Kyle Dubas is such a bad Gm”

Lou makes Kyle look like Einstein Bud, Your D was set before Lou got there (Thankfully or else he would’ve tried to pick some from the KHL Zaitsev & Ozhiganov 🤮). Mayfield is a Top 4 Guy no disrespect towards him but he is also an expiring deal & is 29. 2nd to try & say Aho & Romanov are better than Muzzin is just false, when Muzzin is healthy he is a great Top 4 D, when he isn’t he is negative value. We’ll see how the season goes but something tells me by March you won’t be singing the same tune about a man who hoisted 2 Cups


The man who hoisted 2 cups was carried by this guy named Drew Doughty.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:29 a.m.
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Wow what a comeback, you used goals to justify your point then crawl into a hole of insults when your whole dynamic is used against you, You don’t know more about Hockey or you wouldn’t claim goals to say a Defensemen is better than another


Use common sense bro. When ur third pair d has four goals total ur not looking to shake things up.
Oct. 16, 2022 at 11:30 a.m.
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Use common sense bro. When ur third pair d has four goals total ur not looking to shake things up.


Wins a Blowout Thinks his D is fantastic. Ok we’ll see how the season goes & if you’re singing the same tune in March
 
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