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Deadline Deal

Created by: Ghost789
Team: 2022-23 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 23, 2022
Published: Oct. 23, 2022
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Would be interesting to see if the Sabers can continue to have a solid season and make a run for the playoffs near the deadline. I think no matter what stage you’re in during a “re-build” if you believe your team is in the hunt for a playoff spot you have to make some kind of moves to better your team. Not sure if any one of these could/would happen but this would be a fun team to watch.
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. Kane, Patrick ($5,000,000 retained)
  2. Toews, Jonathan ($5,000,000 retained)
CHI
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (BUF)
  2. 2024 1st round pick (BUF)
2.
BUF
  1. Klingberg, John ($3,500,000 retained)
ANA
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (BUF)
3.
BUF
  1. Quick, Jonathan ($2,750,000 retained)
LAK
  1. 2024 4th round pick (BUF)
Buyouts
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
28$82,500,000$64,689,167$0$3,620,000$17,810,833
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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-$2,375,000-$2,375,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$855,833$855,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$412,500$412K)
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$0$0
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$150,000$150,000
G
UFA - 1
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$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$687,500$687,500
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$825,000$825,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$4,916,667$4,916,667
G
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
G
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,850,000$1,850,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2

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Oct. 23, 2022 at 5:26 a.m.
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Chicago can get a lot more selling them separately

Klingberg will get a 1st

Quick os also worth way more
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Oct. 23, 2022 at 5:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Chicago can get a lot more selling them separately

Klingberg will get a 1st.

Quick os also worth way more


Even know they are just rentals? All have 1 yr left. I could see LA maybe getting 2025+ future 2nd/3rd maybe .. depends what other goalies are on the market at the deadline. Same thing for Klingberg.. idk if he gets more than a 2nd as a rental.

Sources are saying if Kane wants to be dealt to a playoff team that him and Toews would be a package deal and they would retain 1/2 if both salaries for a good return. MAYBE.. they get 1st + 2nd and a good prospect ?
Oct. 23, 2022 at 6:38 a.m.
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Quoting: Ghost789
Even know they are just rentals? All have 1 yr left. I could see LA maybe getting 2025+ future 2nd/3rd maybe .. depends what other goalies are on the market at the deadline. Same thing for Klingberg.. idk if he gets more than a 2nd as a rental.

Sources are saying if Kane wants to be dealt to a playoff team that him and Toews would be a package deal and they would retain 1/2 if both salaries for a good return. MAYBE.. they get 1st + 2nd and a good prospect ?


Alright lets break this down with some examples because to me it seems you don't really have a strong sense of player value or the cost of retention at all. These players are not depth pieces, in fact you have them all playing 1st line, 1st pair, or starting goalie on your above team.

Starting with Kane, we literally just had Giroux traded last year. He returned a 1st, a young promising propect, and a 3rd. While Giroux is an excellent player, Kane is still a lot better. I would say he alone returns a 1st, one of Rosen/Savoie/Ostlund, and a 2nd.

Toews' value is a little up in the air right now but with retention and his pedigree it probably ranges from somewhere between a 1st + B level prospect to a couple 2nds in value. a good example of this could be like Paul Stastny to Winnipeg.

Now for Klingberg. We just had a bunch of rental defensemen traded last deadline. Even Ben Chiarot returned a 1st and he's realistically a good #4/5. Klingberg is a proven playoff performer and we really aren't that far removed from when he put up 21 points in the a single postseason run.

And lastly there is Quick. Despite his age he is a starting goaltender, and a pretty decent one at that too. 3 games this year is not going to erase how well he did last year, especially with his playoff performance vs the Oilers. Last year Fleury returned a 2nd that could potentially upgrade to a 1st. I can't see any situation where Quick would return less than that
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Oct. 23, 2022 at 6:38 a.m.
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Buffalo did just dismantle the toughest gauntlet in the western conference currently, toews wouldn’t be 1c, not sure klingberg is the right fit on blueline. Bringing kane home for the right price is a good plan I believe, but more of a bargain hunt for g/c/d would be all right too. 3 guys that possibly have more In the tank possibly and with the right run, may want to reup. Don’t believe 1c or 2c is overly needed, kane is a need for sure, but some bottom 6 playoff experience grinder or two more of a need, than toews slotting at 1c. Similar goes for the blueline, strengthen up to have 8 deep come playoff time and compete for minutes along with dahlin and power. Goaltender interesting spot, Comrie probably playing over his head, but quite a group coming behind so not sure if the sure fire number 1 is needed or another 1b or 2a type add on short term. Would be nice to add some playoff experience though.
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Oct. 23, 2022 at 7:44 a.m.
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Add a 1st and a prospect and that’s more like it for Klingberg
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Oct. 23, 2022 at 7:51 a.m.
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I will say that if BUF keeps up the pace...they'll certainly be added to Kane's short list.
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Oct. 23, 2022 at 8:13 a.m.
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Chicago gets that for Kane alone without retention.
Rob Blake laughs hysterically as he hangs up , and continues to do so for 20 minutes after.
Verbeek counters Power for a second equally as fair an offer ( in other words completely ridiculous)
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Oct. 23, 2022 at 8:28 a.m.
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Well,

It is nice to see us on the OTHER side of these deadline deals for once.

I dont want any of those players
Oct. 23, 2022 at 8:55 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Alright lets break this down with some examples because to me it seems you don't really have a strong sense of player value or the cost of retention at all. These players are not depth pieces, in fact you have them all playing 1st line, 1st pair, or starting goalie on your above team.

Starting with Kane, we literally just had Giroux traded last year. He returned a 1st, a young promising propect, and a 3rd. While Giroux is an excellent player, Kane is still a lot better. I would say he alone returns a 1st, one of Rosen/Savoie/Ostlund, and a 2nd.

Toews' value is a little up in the air right now but with retention and his pedigree it probably ranges from somewhere between a 1st + B level prospect to a couple 2nds in value. a good example of this could be like Paul Stastny to Winnipeg.

Now for Klingberg. We just had a bunch of rental defensemen traded last deadline. Even Ben Chiarot returned a 1st and he's realistically a good #4/5. Klingberg is a proven playoff performer and we really aren't that far removed from when he put up 21 points in the a single postseason run.

And lastly there is Quick. Despite his age he is a starting goaltender, and a pretty decent one at that too. 3 games this year is not going to erase how well he did last year, especially with his playoff performance vs the Oilers. Last year Fleury returned a 2nd that could potentially upgrade to a 1st. I can't see any situation where Quick would return less than that


I disagree on Klingberg.

Chiarot was a big physical defensive guy. GM's salivate for those types of players. You can plug those guys anywhere.

Klingberg is an offensive PP QB. His value comes from putting up points. He's not on a good team, which is probably gonna hurt his production. I can see him getting a 2nd round pick if he continues to struggle.
Oct. 23, 2022 at 9:20 a.m.
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Buffalo isn't making the playoffs.

Kane and Toews aren't wasting their time on a team that's not making the playoffs or even have a chance at sniffing the cup this season.

John Klingberg easily gets a late 1st round pick from a contending team. And sorry Buffalo isn't in the 4th best teams in the Atlantic Division.

And why would LA trade Jonathan Quick? Sorry but LA is a lot closer to being in the playoffs then Buffalo. And Jonathan Quick at 50% off is worth far more then a lowly 4th round pick.

Buffalo will be in the 7th range in the Atlantic just above Montreal.
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Oct. 23, 2022 at 10:27 a.m.
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Go look at what Hampus Lindholm got. That’s what ANA is going to be asking for in a Klingberg trade and Klingberg is probably more valuable than Lindholm
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Oct. 23, 2022 at 10:43 a.m.
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Nah. If they are close to the playoffs, maybe kick the tires on Kane.
Oct. 23, 2022 at 4:41 p.m.
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At the very worst, with 50% retention Kane at the deadline would be a first, a prospect and more, Toews would be a second and a prospect, Klingberg would be a first and a prospect, and Quick would be a laugh and a snort.
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Oct. 27, 2022 at 5:20 a.m.
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I don’t think we need them to retain as we have the $$ and he will be a FA who we can give 3 years x 7 or 8 million.
Oct. 27, 2022 at 5:24 a.m.
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Buffalo isn't making the playoffs.

Kane and Toews aren't wasting their time on a team that's not making the playoffs or even have a chance at sniffing the cup this season.

John Klingberg easily gets a late 1st round pick from a contending team. And sorry Buffalo isn't in the 4th best teams in the Atlantic Division.

And why would LA trade Jonathan Quick? Sorry but LA is a lot closer to being in the playoffs then Buffalo. And Jonathan Quick at 50% off is worth far more then a lowly 4th round pick.

Buffalo will be in the 7th range in the Atlantic just above Montreal.



Buffalo will finish closer to 3rd, then 7th.
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