wow you gave holl a raise... also this roster gets perma bullied, might as well stop playing, this team wont win anything

Not the goalie tandem you want given it's Matthews last year as a Leaf and the hope would be to capitalize on that

Goaltending still stinks.
Blue line still stinks
Now you’ve got two completely unproven guys in the top six, one of whom hasn’t played a professional game.

I wonder where matthews would sign in the off-season.

You do understand that Burke's method failed miserably right?

I wonder what it will take for people like you to realize the Leafs have good defence. Results and advance stats don't matter obviously

lacking size in that bottom 6

Results matter. Advanced stats don’t really matter to me. That blue line is crazy thin, and doesn’t really have any standout players either.

More often than not, whenever a discussion about this comes about the leafs fan is really trying to talk about team defense, and I’m talking about the blue line, so it’s pointless.

The leafs blue line is trash. It might be upgraded to, “okay,” if Sandin and Liljegren are legit top four guys, which is far from proven.

and what has this new identity and team won??? balance is everything.

sandin is proving himself right now, playing 20 mins a night looking great while being paired with justin holl.

Like I said, results and any proof doesn't matter to people like you. They could go the entire year without allowing a goal and you'd say the same thing. Talk about pointless

It takes time, but you aren't hear to discuss. Just here to talk about how the Leafs need toughness.

Congrats on a week of solid play. That doesn’t prove it.

you do realise keefe and dubas are both close to getting fired? we are out of time, we have to win and now

i said hes proving himself right now, so yea chances are next year hes a full time top 4

What results are you referring to?

Again, sounds like you’re talking about team defense. I’m not.

Who’s good on that blue line? Anyone that you fully trust in every situation? Of course not. They’re lacking a true number one, and there’s question marks next to every guy.

No, chances are he’s not. Most guys fail to take that next step. That’s why the draft is long, and frankly could be longer. I think he’ll be a fringe four.

You are just one of those guys eh? Good day

Talking to you is a waste of time

one of those guys who expect playoff success ? yes, u got that right

It'll come just be patient

Says the guy who can’t tell me what results he’s referring to.

What results?

The league's were average from a goals against average last year despite having the 27th ranked goaltending. This season they are 9th currently. They give up well below average changes against. The myth they suck Defensively is very easy to see. Unless you are one of those who just will say they suck Defensively regardless of what happens. They could finish top 5 in Goals against this season and you'll say they suck

Lol, remember at the beginning of this when i said usually when leafs fans try to make this argument they’re actually talking about team defense, while I’m talking about the blue line? Did you forget that quick little guy? Memory of a goldfish over there.

Too funny.

Moving the goal posts eh. It's a 5 man system, team defence is a major part of the game. But why have a rational conversation eh? Let's just change what we are talking about so you can feel superior.

Moving the goal posts? I literally told you at the beginning of this what i was talking about, and what you would probably try to shift it to. You delivered.


If you somehow didn’t understand what i meant by, “blue line stinks,” let me write it clearly - I. AM. TALKING. ABOUT. THE. DEFENSEMEN.

Sheesh. Do you just quiver with rage and skim peoples posts while responding? Is that why this happens? Go back and re-read everything before you sound even more foolish.