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Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 26, 2022
Published: Oct. 26, 2022
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2023
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2024
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22$82,500,000$76,955,413$212,500$0$5,544,587

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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
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$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 2
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$840,630$840,630
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Oct. 26, 2022 at 3:46 p.m.
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Nothing of interest beyond that 1st rounder for Seattle. Larsson is their #1 D and there's really no RHD in the pipeline so they need an overpay to give him up. This is most definitely not an overpay.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 3:49 p.m.
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
Nothing of interest beyond that 1st rounder for Seattle. Larsson is their #1 D and there's really no RHD in the pipeline so they need an overpay to give him up. This is most definitely not an overpay.


Besides the first, the TDL potential of both would also keep SEA interested.

With both guys only having a year left Seattle can sell them and get more assets to use either in a trade or at the draft.

Also with Geekie hes an RFA with arb and that can be a headache for a GM
Oct. 26, 2022 at 3:58 p.m.
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So, what exactly is Toronto offering Seattle for Larsson and Geekie? Since Holl and Engvall are cap dumps, that first is the compensation for the cap dumps, what will Toronto give up to actually acquire Larsson and Geekie.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 4:01 p.m.
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Quoting: evelutions2
So, what exactly is Toronto offering Seattle for Larsson and Geekie? Since Holl and Engvall are cap dumps, that first is the compensation for the cap dumps, what will Toronto give up to actually acquire Larsson and Geekie.


Holl and Engvall would not be cap dumps. At worst they are neutral value. So that first is for Larsson and Geekie. Probably isn't enough though. I do agree on that.
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Oct. 26, 2022 at 4:04 p.m.
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No reason for Seattle to do that.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 4:16 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Besides the first, the TDL potential of both would also keep SEA interested.

With both guys only having a year left Seattle can sell them and get more assets to use either in a trade or at the draft.

Also with Geekie hes an RFA with arb and that can be a headache for a GM


Let's pretend I owed you $100. Which do you prefer:

A: Me giving you a crisp, fresh $100 bill. Maybe a pair of $50 bills, or 5 $20s, but some combination of currency that adds up to $100.

B: A check for $100 that you can only be cashed at a specific credit union, and that has to be cashed in in a strict time window. Oh, and if any sort of damage happens to the check, it's completely void, you can't cash it, and you can't ask me for a replacement.


Which option are you taking?
Oct. 26, 2022 at 4:22 p.m.
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Quoting: evelutions2
So, what exactly is Toronto offering Seattle for Larsson and Geekie? Since Holl and Engvall are cap dumps, that first is the compensation for the cap dumps, what will Toronto give up to actually acquire Larsson and Geekie.


Engvall is not a cap dump, he provides solid value at 2.25M. Holl has 0 value imo - hes fine as a 3rd pair guy and 2M isnt ideal but isnt a huge negative either. I dont see how just taking those guys would cost a 1st, thats kinda ridiculous imo
Oct. 26, 2022 at 4:55 p.m.
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
Nothing of interest beyond that 1st rounder for Seattle. Larsson is their #1 D and there's really no RHD in the pipeline so they need an overpay to give him up. This is most definitely not an overpay.


Larsson sucks, I have no idea why anyone still thinks he's ant good. Abysmal numbers for years.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 4:56 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Besides the first, the TDL potential of both would also keep SEA interested.

With both guys only having a year left Seattle can sell them and get more assets to use either in a trade or at the draft.

Also with Geekie hes an RFA with arb and that can be a headache for a GM


I just don't understand why anyone likes Larsson, his team never has the puck while he's on the ice. And that not a good thing.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 4:58 p.m.
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Quoting: evelutions2
So, what exactly is Toronto offering Seattle for Larsson and Geekie? Since Holl and Engvall are cap dumps, that first is the compensation for the cap dumps, what will Toronto give up to actually acquire Larsson and Geekie.


People don't seem to understand that all contenders have to move out cap to bring in cap. So any trade will include salary going the other way. That isn't a cap dump, unless the players being moved are worth less than their contract. Engvall and Holl are not in any way bad contracts.bb
Oct. 26, 2022 at 5:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
I just don't understand why anyone likes Larsson, his team never has the puck while he's on the ice. And that not a good thing.


Larsson is a defensive dman who blocks a lot of shots and isnt afraid to throw his weight around.

Rielly whenever he is paired with a Defensive Dman has had good results. Despite their flaws a Rielly-Larsson pairing wouldnt really be the end of the world. As then it allows Brodie to move down to the second pair with Sandin and create a nice duo
Oct. 26, 2022 at 5:14 p.m.
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
Let's pretend I owed you $100. Which do you prefer:

A: Me giving you a crisp, fresh $100 bill. Maybe a pair of $50 bills, or 5 $20s, but some combination of currency that adds up to $100.

B: A check for $100 that you can only be cashed at a specific credit union, and that has to be cashed in in a strict time window. Oh, and if any sort of damage happens to the check, it's completely void, you can't cash it, and you can't ask me for a replacement.


Which option are you taking?


It really depends as if im a client of that specific union im good as who uses bills these days when u got a credit card.

In general lets say SEA gets this trade then at the TDL flips Engvall for a 3rd and Holl for a 4th

In the end they free up 5.25mill in cap for 2023, and get 3 picks including a 1st. Thats a big win for a team like SEA. As then they can use that space to sucker another team against the cap and get something good out of it like the did with OB.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 5:24 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Larsson is a defensive dman who blocks a lot of shots and isnt afraid to throw his weight around.

Rielly whenever he is paired with a Defensive Dman has had good results. Despite their flaws a Rielly-Larsson pairing wouldnt really be the end of the world. As then it allows Brodie to move down to the second pair with Sandin and create a nice duo


Larsson blocks a lot of shots because when he is on the ice, the opposition has the puck the whole time. He has zero puck skills and isn't the greatest skater either. I'd rather have a defenceman who can do something to help the team and being a net front pylon doesn't do anything unless it's the PK.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 5:25 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Besides the first, the TDL potential of both would also keep SEA interested.

With both guys only having a year left Seattle can sell them and get more assets to use either in a trade or at the draft.

Also with Geekie hes an RFA with arb and that can be a headache for a GM


The potential that Geekie becomes a headache is worth more to SEA than the potential return at TDL for Engvall (assuming he's the one that is in the trade for Geekie).
Oct. 26, 2022 at 5:53 p.m.
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Niemelä or Villeneuve would likely need to go the other way I think, considering Holl and Engvall would be more or less placeholders on the roster.

I'd also weasel my way to having it be the 2024 pick.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.
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The potential that Geekie becomes a headache is worth more to SEA than the potential return at TDL for Engvall (assuming he's the one that is in the trade for Geekie).


In general SEA got to many forwards. Geekie's expendable so in the end getting rid of him and getting someone they can then trade for picks works out better for them in the end
Oct. 26, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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In general SEA got to many forwards. Geekie's expendable so in the end getting rid of him and getting someone they can then trade for picks works out better for them in the end


They are better off trading him or someone else directly for a pick(s), if Engvall isn't addressing a need.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 8:56 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
It really depends as if im a client of that specific union im good as who uses bills these days when u got a credit card.

In general lets say SEA gets this trade then at the TDL flips Engvall for a 3rd and Holl for a 4th

In the end they free up 5.25mill in cap for 2023, and get 3 picks including a 1st. Thats a big win for a team like SEA. As then they can use that space to sucker another team against the cap and get something good out of it like the did with OB.


You get my point, though, right? If I'm Ron Francis, I'd rather just have *you* give me those 3rd & 4th rounders, because there's no guarantee that I can flip Engvall & Holl at the deadline. Injuries, ineffectiveness, this year being a buyer's market - there's more risk taking those guys on than just getting futures, so I think you have to reflect that in their value. You're basically giving them two lottery ticket pending UFAs & a 1st for their top Dman and a young forward - this just doesn't make any sense for Seattle.
Oct. 26, 2022 at 8:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Larsson sucks, I have no idea why anyone still thinks he's ant good. Abysmal numbers for years.


Not arguing the fit for TML (in my opinion, they're probably just as well off running Holl instead of giving up assets to replace him with Larsson), just that there's nothing there for Seattle to give up the guy that's their de facto #1 plus a cheap, young, bottom 6 forward.
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Oct. 26, 2022 at 9:17 p.m.
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Not arguing the fit for TML (in my opinion, they're probably just as well off running Holl instead of giving up assets to replace him with Larsson), just that there's nothing there for Seattle to give up the guy that's their de facto #1 plus a cheap, young, bottom 6 forward.


You are definitely right but I just can't for the life of me understand why he's still held in such high regard. Lol
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