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How much does it cost exactly to acquire Bo Horvat as a rental

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Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 28, 2022
Published: Oct. 28, 2022
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  1. Horvat, Bo
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We lost Josh Norris to injury for the rest of the season.


And we are trying to compete this season and make the playoffs for the first time in 6 years.


Looking at all the #1 centres that might be available from teams that might miss the playoffs, I keep coming back to Bo Horvat and the Vancouver Canucks.


I'd like to know exactly how much it costs to acquire Horvat as a rental.



To get the ball rolling, I went with what the Columbus Blue Jackets paid for Matt Duchene back in 2019.



https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/matt-duchene
VAN
  1. Lodin, Viktor
  2. Sokolov, Egor
  3. 2023 1st round pick (OTT)
  4. 2024 1st round pick (OTT)
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Vancouver receives Ottawa's 2024 1st if Ottawa wins the Stanley Cup at any point before the 2024 NHL draft.
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$74,556,548$0$4,025,000$7,943,452

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Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 6
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
UFA - 1
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
C
RFA - 1
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$762,500$762,500
LW
RFA - 2
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$821,667$821,667
C, RW
RFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 6
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LD
UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LD/RD, LW
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,666,667$3,666,667
G
UFA - 1
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 8
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$950,000$950,000
C
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1

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Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:23 a.m.
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two firsts for a rentals too much, but could make sense to bring in horvat
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Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:25 a.m.
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Ottawa isn't in a position where it makes even a small amount of sense.
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Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:28 a.m.
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Quoting: dickie_boon
two firsts for a rentals too much, but could make sense to bring in horvat


It's most likely just one first.

Ottawa needs to win the Cup for it to be two.
Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:33 a.m.
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I don't get all the horvat hype all of the sudden. Hasn't he been an average 2C his whole career? Now all the sudden people wanna give up multiple firsts for him and think he's getting 8 mil on his next deal.
Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:35 a.m.
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Ottawa isn't in a position where it makes even a small amount of sense.


Derick Brassard as our #2 centre is a bit suspect, don't you think?
Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:38 a.m.
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I don't get all the horvat hype all of the sudden. Hasn't he been an average 2C his whole career? Now all the sudden people wanna give up multiple firsts for him and think he's getting 8 mil on his next deal.


I'm only giving up two firsts if Ottawa wins the Cup.

I explicitly said so.
Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:39 a.m.
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I'm only giving up two firsts if Ottawa wins the Cup.

I explicitly said so.


Even that's an overpayment. But I wasn't talking about this post specifically.
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Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:41 a.m.
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I am not sure if I would give up a 2023 1st for Horvat, let alone two picks. he is a 2C rental. all that he is. never has been more. I would much rather see him go for like two 2nds and a B-C prospect
Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:46 a.m.
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It's a bit complicated. I think they'll be fine when things start to gel a bit more. Do I like Brass on the 2nd line? It can work... but it's not ideal. I'd like to see what Pinto can do. I'd also like to see either Lodin or Greig up there soon. There are also cheaper options out there that can fill the void just as easily.

Do I want them to win games and go after the big fish? YES! Do I also not want to gamble the future in case it doesn't work? YES! I'm very conflicted.

I think Dorion needs to take Zaitsev away from DJ. The option needs to be gone. It's hilarious how much he destroys the game for a lot of these puck possession guys.
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Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:50 a.m.
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
I don't get all the horvat hype all of the sudden. Hasn't he been an average 2C his whole career? Now all the sudden people wanna give up multiple firsts for him and think he's getting 8 mil on his next deal.


i would say he's actually one of the best 2c in the league, but definitly not a 1c. he is a guy you can put pretty much in any situation, protecting a lead or down a goal, very good at face off. his defensive game his pretty good on an abysymal defensive team. not saying he is worth a haul but if he is available come deadline, he will be a top 3 players to get that for sure, could be even number 1.
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Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:52 a.m.
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Derick Brassard as our #2 centre is a bit suspect, don't you think?


It's working right now, and when it stops working it'll get shaken up. Ottawa has Pinto, and Giroux is a MORE than capable 2C option. I get the optics of Brassard as the pivot for 12 and 28 isn't great, but Ottawa has plenty of flexibility going forward in that role.

Not saying you don't look to bolter the position at some point, but blowing assets like that out the door for a C you know you will never keep is just a dumb decision at this point. Ottawa lost their 1b goalie and their 1b centre, and the biggest area of need for them hasn't at all. Adding a top 4 RD is still by far the best move they could make. Talbot will be back, and Ottawa's forwards are in better position to absorb the loss of Norris. The blueline is at very best fine, and if they suffer an injury to any of Brannstrom, Zub, Sanderson or Chabot they go from fine to bad.
Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:55 a.m.
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It's a bit complicated. I think they'll be fine when things start to gel a bit more. Do I like Brass on the 2nd line? It can work... but it's not ideal. I'd like to see what Pinto can do. I'd also like to see either Lodin or Greig up there soon. There are also cheaper options out there that can fill the void just as easily.

Do I want them to win games and go after the big fish? YES! Do I also not want to gamble the future in case it doesn't work? YES! I'm very conflicted.

I think Dorion needs to take Zaitsev away from DJ. The option needs to be gone. It's hilarious how much he destroys the game for a lot of these puck possession guys.


Zaitsev point is absolutely correct, but assuming you can't work that deal mid season, Dorion NEEDS to bring in help, just to push Zaitsev further out of the picture.
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Oct. 28, 2022 at 9:56 a.m.
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Exactly???

His base salary is $4.450,000. We're at day 17 of the 185 day season. So...it'll cost you $4,041,081.41 if you trade for him today.

***EDIT*** My mistake that's cap hits. Salary is games played so VAN's played 8 games in an 82 game season. 74/82 * 4,450,000 = $4,015,853.66
Oct. 28, 2022 at 10:15 a.m.
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A 2023 1st and a prospect should get it done. Maybe someone like Ostapchuk/JBD?
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Oct. 28, 2022 at 10:25 a.m.
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Isn’t Pinto lighting it up right now? There’s Giroux too. Pretty sure 2C is covered. I would think (if the sens stay hot and make the playoffs) that D depth is probably the biggest concern, especially on the right side. That’s a good problem to have.

Honestly, a one year 3C rental is probably the best bang for the buck trade that makes sense - if Norris comes back early, you’ve got C depth.
Oct. 28, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.
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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
I am not sure if I would give up a 2023 1st for Horvat, let alone two picks. he is a 2C rental. all that he is. never has been more. I would much rather see him go for like two 2nds and a B-C prospect


Once again, Vancouver only receives two firsts instead of just one if Ottawa wins the Cup.

I explicitly said so.
Oct. 28, 2022 at 11:09 a.m.
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This is too much. A first and good prospect is enough
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Oct. 28, 2022 at 11:14 a.m.
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Not as much as you have here. Thompson or JBD plus protected 2024 1st
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Oct. 28, 2022 at 1:31 p.m.
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Start with what the Rangers gave up for Copp:

A conditional first based on how deep the Rangers went in the playoffs, a conditional 2nd where the Jets had the choice of deferring the pick for a year and a B prospect in Morgan Barron.

Some will point to Copp being better defensively and his ability to play all three forward positions, others will point to Horvat's better point totals, on a bad team, and to him being one of the league's premier face-off men.

Myself, I look at the value as being about even, so I would say a first, a second and a prospect is where you start. The conditions on the picks and the quality of the prospect would depend on whether or not the acquiring team has plans to resign him and/or how deep they go in the playoffs.

Personally, I can't imagine Bo resigning with another young team that has done nothing to date but spin its wheels. But I'm not Bo, so....
Oct. 28, 2022 at 7:34 p.m.
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Sokolov vs Abramov
Lodin vs Davidsson
2023 1st round pick (OTT) vs 2019 1st round pick (CBJ #19)

Yeah these packages are a bit comparable but I prefer the 2023 pick because it's one of the best draft in a while. And I think Duchene had comfortably more value than Horvat


IMO we shouldn't be making that type of move. Get someone overpaid like Burns for example, but at forward. Pay less
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