I dont think the oilers would say yes

Thats such a bad trade for EDM, Van is going to need to send picks on picks to move that deal. There won't be a first coming back from anyone.

The Oilers say no lol

It's funny I proposed OEL 50% retained for nothing on HF and two Oilers fans said they'd happily trade a first for OEL with retention. This idea is a little different but I figured Barrie is cap space EDM would be happy to move. Could be wrong on his contribution currently.

I see Barrie and Pulj/Yama and close to cap dumps. OEL slots in as a top 4 LD while the Oilers window is open for the next 3 yrs.

None of them are cap dumps to the Oilers ATM.

I am actually a pretty big fan of OEL, I hope he rebounds back to his former self, but this deal does nothing for Edmonton and costs us a lot.
As well, we need cap space for the next 2-3 years which will be our main struggle, taking on this contract damages our future quite a bit.

Yes, you are very wrong.

Here's an interesting 5v5 stat:
Vancouver is 5-8 goals with OEL on the ice.
Vancouver is 12-11 with OEL off the ice.

Edmonton is 6-3 goals with Barrie on the ice.
Edmonton is 11-12 goals with Barrie off the ice.

OEL is making $8.25M for 5 more years.
Barrie is making $4.5M for 2 more years.

You have their value exactly backwards. IF Edmonton was interested in taking on cap dumps (they are not) then its Vancouver who would be adding a 1st and a young 20-goal scorer. Not the other way round.

The stats you just laid out aren't overly meaningful considering he plays with Draisaitl and McDavid. But I am interested what do Edmonton fans think of Barrie? where does he play in your lineup? 4th d?

What you'd end up with is an upgrade on LD and a cap savings of 3 mil. Could be Yama too, it's more if they want to rid some salary.

It saves you 3 mil in cap for this and next season. It gives the team a better chance to win in Draisaitls contract period. How about 50% retained? that'd be 3.8 for OEL

Apologies on the cap saving aspect of that, I'm thinking in terms of what I suspect Edmonton to run on defense next season, being Nurse - Kulak - Niema/Broberg, OEL adds cost to that left hand side as he would take a spot from Niema/Broberg.

I think 50% retained makes it much easier but we would need to move a LHD in the trade too, maybe Kulak, which adds more complications haha.
In the end its mostly just Edmonton may not be the spot for him.

He's 2-0 goals without either McDavid or Draisaitl on the ice, so your argument doesn't hold water.

You aren't getting a young 20 goal scorer and a 1st and a 50 point RHD for OEL just because you retained a couple of mil. He's still a cap dump.

That sample size is statistically insignificant.

I am thinking from an OIlers POV Barrie is not really wanted. His cap hit is a hinderance. Thats the feedback I get. Puljujarvi has been frustrating too. As I say if you prefer Yama that is fine. The idea of the trade is to improve the Oilers short term and to hedge on the bet the Canucks are losing with OEL. I think both could be achieved with the right players involved.

Sure. You were the one that brought it up though, not me.


Not true.


Nobody wants OEL, not even with $2M retained. Edmonton isn't taking cap dumps, but even if they were you aren't getting a 1st + a young 20 goal scorer for your cap dump. You'd have to add a 1st and a young 20 goal scorer just to get someone to take your cap dump.

Just came across this tweet. Thought of you.

Edmonton has 5 defencemen that have played over 100 minutes:

Nurse
Ceci
Kulak
Bouchard
Barrie

Four of them have XGF% over 50%

Barrie's is 36.65

Four of them have SCF% over 50%

Barrie's is 42.62

Four of them have HDCF% over 50%

Barrie's is 38.30

Kulak with/without Barrie:

CF% 32.18 with, 58.33 w/o
XGF% 29.74 with, 61.45 w/o
SCF% 31.43 with, 59.76 w/o
HDCF% 40.00 with, 65.63 w/o

"Well, okay, they're not a good fit with each other, and Barrie's been babysitting Niemelainen!"

Niemelainen with/without Barrie:

CF%: 37.14 with, 59.62 without
XGF%: 27.62 with, 69.38 without
SCF% 39.39 with, 68.00 without
HDCF% 33.33 with, 80.00 without

"Okay sure, maybe Niemelainen's played well without him, but he got stuck with Ryan Murray a lot too!"

RYAN MURRAY with/without Barrie:

CF%: 45.00 with, 51.18 without
XGF%: 36.68 with, 46.22 without
SCF%: 38.46 with, 53.85 without
HDCF%: 20.00 with, 47.62 without

Edmonton needs cap space and D help. I think I've spied who should be dealt from the blueline...

Your numbers are incorrect, perhaps they're out of date. Here are the correct numbers: http://naturalstattrick.com/pairings.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=EDM&loc=B&toi=44&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410
Kulak was playing poorly in the first 5 games (when he was mostly paired with Barrie), he's picked up his game since then. He looks more like last year's player.

You also neglected to mention that Nurse-Barrie has posted good numbers, and the fact that Barrie always produces better results than corsi or xg suggest. And actual results are what matters.

Oh and FYI OEL is below 50% in all those categories (and just 35.71% in GF%!!) and costs millions more than Barrie, and yet you think he's worth Barrie, Yamamoto AND a 1st!

tbf the tweet is clearly somewhat biased in its representation, It's making the worst case against Barrie, but it doesn't mean it isn't mostly true.

How do you measure the results that are better than corsi?


OELs main partner is Tyler Myers. Tyler Myers and anyone is bottom half of the team xg%. OEL and Schenn, Poolman, Hughes is top half.

Any combination with Barrie is bottom half of the team in xg%, except Nurse.

There are 14 combos that have played 5 mins together in Edm Barrie occupies 6,7,11,12,13 avg 9.8/14

There are 23 combos that have played 5 mins together in Van, OEL occupies 1,4,6,12,17 avg 8/23

CF% OEL 48% Barrie 44%
xG% OEL 45% Barrie 42%
OZ starts OEL 45% Barrie 53%
one on a dreadful team one on a winning team

Again I don't want Barrie on the Canucks it was more a suggestion based on who is most underperforming their contract. ie who you might wanna dump.

Barrie is one of the Oilers better defensemen for real goals though. He was down the stretch last year too, and in the playoffs. Corsi and these other things don't show up on the scoreboard, at the end of the day goals are the only thing that matters. The other metrics are imperfect predictions and while they are not without value, real results matter more at the end of the day.

Real goals? Barrie had 7 goals last yr. Nurse and Bouchard both did better. Bouchard had more points than Barrie in his rookie season. And Barrie is the QB of the one of the most lethal PPs and that's all he's able to produce.

You think Barrie had a productive playoffs? 1 goal 4 assists in 16 gms that is awful for a guy who is supposed to be the team's leading point producer.

If you are consistently outperforming xg fair enough. Barrie is not. And he is a liability defensively.

His corsi relative is a team worst -11.7 this yr. The next closest is -5.2. OEL has a corsi rel of 2.1.

If you think Barrie is good you are gonna think OEL is Chris Pronger.

Not to mention the team fit. OEL immediately moves the only player performing as close to as bad as Barrie, Kulak, down the lineup out of the top 4. Bouchard is the ready made replacement on PP1. OEL and Nurse can fill in when needed there.

Barrie's 7 goals 41 points playing on PP with McDavid and Draisaitl represents the lowest possible point total you'd could hope to get I would say.

On-ice real goals. You were talking 100% on-ice stats and then switched to individual because it suited your narrative - lol.

In the last 38 games of the regular season Barrie was on-ice for 31 GF and 19 GA (2nd best on the team). In the playoffs he was 12 - 7 (best on the team). This year he's 7 - 3 (2nd best on the team). It's the single most important metric.

Barrie makes the PP better, that's why he's still the QB for the first unit while Nurse and Bouchard play on the 2nd unit.

In his most recent 3 seasons (and 5 of the 6 most recent) Barrie's GF% was better than his xGF%. That's "outperforming".

And he's not so bad defensively, his defensive issues are massively overblown on this site.

I can't believe you're using Corsi Rel to rate a defenseman. It's probably the least informative metric for a defenseman.

Again, if you knew anything about the Oilers you'd know that Kulak was really bad for the first 5 games (dragging down Barrie's on ice metrics) but has totally turned his game around since then.

Nobody wants you cap dump, and they certainly aren't giving you assets for him. That's the bottom line.

I didn't switch anything intentionally. I didn't know what you were talking about.

You can't believe Im using corsi rel and you are use raw GF and GA at even strength in the arbitrary time frame of 38 games. Literally makes nothing of who he's out there with or who he's out there against.
How is corsi rel bad? When you're getting 68%, 61%, 57% offensive zone starts over the last 3 seasons with McDavid and Draisaitl you'll tend to be on the ice for goals for.

Barrie makes the pp better by being minimally involved. The moment they give the reigns Bouchard, Barrie will have little to no role on the team so the Oilers are likely managing this situation.

Here's an example of his overblown defensive frailties

LOL, a JFresh chart. I figured it would come to this.

And 38 games isn't an arbitrary time frame, that's when Woodcroft & Manson took over behind the Oilers bench.

Barrie has been playing top-4 minutes and comp. Not first pairing - Manson runs Nurse-Ceci heavily against elites, but 2nd pairing. He isn't as sheltered as many think. Nor does he play a lot with McDavid, if you look at all the defensemen TOI with the captain, Barrie ranks 5th, despite being 4th in overall 5v5 TOI.

And the Oilers 1st PP unit is demonstrably better with Barrie on point than Bouchard. Bouchard will get there, but he's not there yet.

Edmonton has no motivation to move Barrie right now, so they won't be trading him WITH HIGH END ASSETS FOR A WORSE CONTRACT. Did that register?

Fair enough on the 38 games, I wondered why you picked that number.

Why does a Jfresh chart make you LOL?

Here is another if it keeps you laughing

As I say take him out of the deal. He was added as an option to shed a bad contract. Which is the sentiment shared by most oilers fans I talk to and back up by the numbers.