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Contract negotiations go wrong

Created by: MavRocket9
Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 4, 2022
Published: Nov. 4, 2022
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In case the Debrincat contract extension situation goes wrong, here's a potential trade the sent could make to upgrade their defence while still keeping a good forward group. I do think Pinto deserves a spot in the top 6. Thoughts?
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$76,481,548$0$4,025,000$6,018,452

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Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 6
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 8
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
C
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$821,667$821,667
C, RW
RFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 6
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
RFA - 3
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$3,666,667$3,666,667
G
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LD
UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD
RFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Nov. 4, 2022 at 7:15 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Yet, you've cited none of them and have provided no specifics as to what "one of the top defensemen in the league" even means. top 10? 20? 50?


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Nov. 4, 2022 at 7:19 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 4, 2022 at 7:25 p.m.
Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Yet, you've cited none of them and have provided no specifics as to what "one of the top defensemen in the league" even means. top 10? 20? 50?






There you go, from the most credible analytics source that is available to the public. What's even more impressive is that this tweet is from August 6th, based on last season when he was playing with the worst and slowest defenseman in the league in Zdeno Chára all season.
Nov. 6, 2022 at 8:21 a.m.
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Edited Nov. 6, 2022 at 8:35 a.m.
Quoting: Isles10
Once again, played games is not indicative on being good or not, there are plenty of mediocre players in the NHL. Point is, a prospect can take off very soon after their draft year, regardless of where they was picked and rather quickly be valued as top/elite prospects regardless of draft position. Brännström was almost immediately (by everyone) seen as a top-5 prospect of the class, then stagnated. There was rumours Dorion wanted either Brännström or Dobson for him and Lou wouldn’t trade Dobson, but the point is, they was regarded equally talented. Brännström is a bust in the sense he will never (most probably) be what everyone hoped and thought he would become. When you have that much talent and hype to your name and just becomes what he is of now at 23, then yes it’s fair to call him a bust for now.


Well, how many of these games have you watched? That's the thing... people always think they have the whole picture but it's rarely the case...

Did you know for example that Erik Brannstrom caught covid on the way back from Europe when the NHL resumed in 2021? (season 2020-21)

Did you know that he missed several weeks with a broken hand in 2021-22 too?

He also had a few minor injuries the last 2 years

So, despite covid and injuries, Brannstrom has played 116 NHL games by the end of his 22 y/o season. He is FAR from a bust as he is just scratching the surface.

Last season, he played 22+ minutes in 15 of his 53 games, including 3 games more than 25 minutes. It's not new that he has looked like the Sens best D-man in some games

Again last night watching him play, it's pretty evident that he will be a quality player (even if not a star). The road has not been easy playing on a rebuilding team with a totally discombobulated team defense (coaching staff has no idea how to implement defensive hockey systems). Until this season, he had played 50% of his time in the NHL with Josh freaking Brown as his defensive partner (not really or barely NHL caliber IMO)

Erik Brannstrom is not and won't be a BUST, no matter how much you repeat it.

And I don't know if he was a "top-5 prospect" in the league, but on Ottawa he has always behind guys like Batherson, Norris, Stutzle and Sanderson... so 5th in Ottawa and 5th in the league? Maybe I guess.


Quoting: Isles10
Sorry for my mistake, of course Melnyk was the owner and Dorion the GM, but Melnyk did say it was his proudest day as an owner of the franchise, which speaks volume to the hype surrounding Brännström at the time.


No problem but IIRC it's Dorion that made that comment. It was ridiculous though so not something I plan on remembering. He specifically said that to save the face after trading fan favorite and elite inger Mark Stone ho he completely botched the file.
Nov. 6, 2022 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Xspyrit
Well, how many of these games have you watched? That's the thing... people always think they have the whole picture but it's rarely the case...

Did you know for example that Erik Brannstrom caught covid on the way back from Europe when the NHL resumed in 2021? (season 2020-21)

Did you know that he missed several weeks with a broken hand in 2021-22 too?

He also had a few minor injuries the last 2 years

So, despite covid and injuries, Brannstrom has played 116 NHL games by the end of his 22 y/o season. He is FAR from a bust as he is just scratching the surface.

Last season, he played 22+ minutes in 15 of his 53 games, including 3 games more than 25 minutes. It's not new that he has looked like the Sens best D-man in some games

Again last night watching him play, it's pretty evident that he will be a quality player (even if not a star). The road has not been easy playing on a rebuilding team with a totally discombobulated team defense (coaching staff has no idea how to implement defensive hockey systems). Until this season, he had played 50% of his time in the NHL with Josh freaking Brown as his defensive partner (not really or barely NHL caliber IMO)

Erik Brannstrom is not and won't be a BUST, no matter how much you repeat it.

And I don't know if he was a "top-5 prospect" in the league, but on Ottawa he has always behind guys like Batherson, Norris, Stutzle and Sanderson... so 5th in Ottawa and 5th in the league? Maybe I guess.




No problem but IIRC it's Dorion that made that comment. It was ridiculous though so not something I plan on remembering. He specifically said that to save the face after trading fan favorite and elite inger Mark Stone ho he completely botched the file.


Sometimes it’s just best to agree to disagree, I think we unintentionally misread some things we both say. I didn’t say he was considered a top-5 pick in the world at any time, just from his specific draft class soon after he was drafted, that’s a huge difference. It’s not always on the player necessarily, sometimes bad luck with injuries or covid etc. happen and can derail a prospects projected path, and I think it’s fair to say - that regardless of what the cause is, that he hasn’t lived up to his hype as of now, I really hope he does though, as a fellow Swede, I would love for him to become a good player.
 
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