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Created by: Reason
Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 4, 2022
Published: Nov. 4, 2022
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I haven't flip flopped from thinking this team is a contender to needing a rebuild, I have consistently said for years that this team needs a reset even if they could make the playoffs they will go no where with that defense.
With the additional 10 million in cap space, the team could also take on bad contracts that expire at seasons end for additional picks.
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Murray, Matt
  2. Niemelä, Topi
  3. Robertson, Nicholas
  4. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
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Costs more than a 1st to move Murray. Here they get the goaltending piece that should give them a legitimate shot at the cup.
TOR
  1. Demko, Thatcher
  2. Schenn, Luke
Additional Details:
Would take a lot to move Demko. Hate to see Demko leave but if the team were to reset they are probably 3-4 year away from contender status, which would put Demko at 30-31.
2.
VAN
  1. Wallstedt, Jesper
  2. 2023 1st round pick (MIN)
Additional Details:
Canucks get a goalie of the future after trading Demko.
MIN
  1. Horvat, Bo ($2,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Horvat extends with MIN.
If cap is an issue, a cap dump with additional pick could be included in the deal.
3.
VAN
  1. Räty, Aatu
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
I know NYI are high on Raty but I feel the value is more than fair here.
NYI
  1. Miller, J.T.
Additional Details:
NYI were interested in Miller at the draft if he could be extended, he is now extended at a reasonable rate.
Buyouts
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2023
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2024
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2025
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$883,750$883,750 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
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UFA - 2
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
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UFA - 2
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$7,260,000$7,260,000
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NMC
UFA - 5
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
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UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
G
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
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UFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
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UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
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UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
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UFA - 3
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$762,500$762,500
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 8:34 p.m.
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Canucks decline the 1st trade, Minnesota and NYI decline the next two
Nov. 4, 2022 at 8:34 p.m.
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no shot the wild accept that trade. also i highly doubt isles make the trade with millers contract. no idea what the leafs say
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 8:36 p.m.
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No way Isles would even consider this, sorry.
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 8:37 p.m.
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The islanders wouldn’t trade Raty for miller straight up. Having Raty on his ELC will provide a lot more value than a declining miller at 8 mill per till he’s 38

Also Lou lamoriello hates signing bonuses in contracts. He rarely gives them out and he definitely not trading for a contract that has them in multiple years. Millers contract is filled with them
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 8:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Vermathex
no shot the wild accept that trade. also i highly doubt isles make the trade with millers contract. no idea what the leafs say


The Leafs say, we would love to have Demko, but 1) it doesn't cost more than a 1st to move Murray, who we don't want to move at this time anyways. 2) at that high ask we will just stick with what we have.
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 8:48 p.m.
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Second and third trades r beyond horrible for NYI and Minnesota. First trade is bad for Vancouver cause of the Murray contract. Switch him with Samsanov and it might be closer to fair.
Nov. 4, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.
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The Leafs say, we would love to have Demko, but 1) it doesn't cost more than a 1st to move Murray, who we don't want to move at this time anyways. 2) at that high ask we will just stick with what we have.


Also Murray needs to get healthy and then we need to see how he plays before we do anything. Samsonov has done well so far. Let's see how he continues and then plays with Murray.
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
Second and third trades r beyond horrible for NYI and Minnesota. First trade is bad for Vancouver cause of the Murray contract. Switch him with Samsanov and it might be closer to fair.


How is Murray's contract bad for a team rebuilding? He is off the books after next year. And in this terribly one sided trade get a first and 2 high value prospects
Nov. 4, 2022 at 8:57 p.m.
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Millers value is a fraction of what it was 9 months ago. He is no longer that valuable superstar asset... he is worth very little with his extension
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 9:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
How is Murray's contract bad for a team rebuilding? He is off the books after next year. And in this terribly one sided trade get a first and 2 high value prospects


Demko is one of the five or six best goalies in the league so I don’t understand how that wouldn’t be fair value. Also just because Vancouver is bad doesn’t mean they want to take bad contracts back for free.
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 9:22 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 4, 2022 at 11:24 p.m.
Vancouver 100% passes. - Robertson and Niemela are so overrated, Late 2023 1st round pick and Murray can't stay healthy. Demko and Schenn get a way better offer than this if Rutherford and Allvin decided to move them.


Minnesota 100% passes. - Doubtful that Minnesota can even afford Bo Horvat at 7x7.

Islanders 100% passes - Islanders can't afford to pay Miller $8,000,000 per long term.
Nov. 4, 2022 at 9:34 p.m.
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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
Millers value is a fraction of what it was 9 months ago. He is no longer that valuable superstar asset... he is worth very little with his extension


I agree that his overall value is likely lower because I think there will be less overall parties interested, I disagree that he has “very little value” after signing a reasonable extension.
The NYI had a deal in place for Miller at the draft but backed out because they couldn’t talk contract extension with him, that deal was rumoured to be a 1st +. Raty is a good prospect but he’s not an elite prospect. The most recent NHL affiliated prospect ranking I can find is from Daily Faceoff and has him ranked as the 56th best affiliated prospect.
I think the value is fair, a 1st and good prospect, and the interest should be there now (unless Lou has soured on the Canucks management team) that the contract has been extended and the NYI didn’t have any major additions this off-season, especially when they were trying hard to add.
Nov. 4, 2022 at 9:38 p.m.
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Yeah you absolutely not getting wallstedt under any circumstances for a rental or not! Minnesota declines
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 9:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Reason
I agree that his overall value is likely lower because I think there will be less overall parties interested, I disagree that he has “very little value” after signing a reasonable extension.
The NYI had a deal in place for Miller at the draft but backed out because they couldn’t talk contract extension with him, that deal was rumoured to be a 1st +. Raty is a good prospect but he’s not an elite prospect. The most recent NHL affiliated prospect ranking I can find is from Daily Faceoff and has him ranked as the 56th best affiliated prospect.
I think the value is fair, a 1st and good prospect, and the interest should be there now (unless Lou has soured on the Canucks management team) that the contract has been extended and the NYI didn’t have any major additions this off-season, especially when they were trying hard to add.


Are you going to address your beyond bad Minnesota trade? Or not? MI wouldn't trade wallstedt like ever much less add a 1st
Nov. 4, 2022 at 9:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Reason
I agree that his overall value is likely lower because I think there will be less overall parties interested, I disagree that he has “very little value” after signing a reasonable extension.
The NYI had a deal in place for Miller at the draft but backed out because they couldn’t talk contract extension with him, that deal was rumoured to be a 1st +. Raty is a good prospect but he’s not an elite prospect. The most recent NHL affiliated prospect ranking I can find is from Daily Faceoff and has him ranked as the 56th best affiliated prospect.
I think the value is fair, a 1st and good prospect, and the interest should be there now (unless Lou has soured on the Canucks management team) that the contract has been extended and the NYI didn’t have any major additions this off-season, especially when they were trying hard to add.


The Miller deal is dead, for multiple reasons. Lou would never take Millers contract.

Raty is definitely an A prospect.

Not making any additions to the forwards was the right move for the islanders.
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 9:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Reason
I agree that his overall value is likely lower because I think there will be less overall parties interested, I disagree that he has “very little value” after signing a reasonable extension.
The NYI had a deal in place for Miller at the draft but backed out because they couldn’t talk contract extension with him, that deal was rumoured to be a 1st +. Raty is a good prospect but he’s not an elite prospect. The most recent NHL affiliated prospect ranking I can find is from Daily Faceoff and has him ranked as the 56th best affiliated prospect.
I think the value is fair, a 1st and good prospect, and the interest should be there now (unless Lou has soured on the Canucks management team) that the contract has been extended and the NYI didn’t have any major additions this off-season, especially when they were trying hard to add.


JTM would have been a 2 run rental which would have been the most profitable way. Now he's negative value and unpopular, enjoy
Nov. 4, 2022 at 9:59 p.m.
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The Leafs say, we would love to have Demko, but 1) it doesn't cost more than a 1st to move Murray, who we don't want to move at this time anyways. 2) at that high ask we will just stick with what we have.


1) I agree Leaf’s probably want to see a bit more of Murray before making a trade like this. My thinking is this trade would happen closer to the deadline and if Murray continued playing at the level he has the last few seasons.

2) If Murray is still playing at the level he has been the last few seasons and TO wants to try going into the playoffs with him I foresee yet another very early playoff exit. An elite goalie could make TO a legitimate cup contender, this one is signed for 4 more years at a very good contract for a team that could use the cap space.
Nov. 4, 2022 at 10:09 p.m.
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JTM would have been a 2 run rental which would have been the most profitable way. Now he's negative value and unpopular, enjoy


Your out to lunch if you think Miller has negative value. Less teams interested for sure, negative value not a chance.

Lou desperately wanted to add this off-season and was linked to multiple forwards around Millers age. He didn’t make the deadline trade because he wanted to extend Miller. He is now extended at what was the expected rate. Decent chance he would revisit the idea the opportunity arose.
Nov. 4, 2022 at 10:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Reason
1) I agree Leaf’s probably want to see a bit more of Murray before making a trade like this. My thinking is this trade would happen closer to the deadline and if Murray continued playing at the level he has the last few seasons.

2) If Murray is still playing at the level he has been the last few seasons and TO wants to try going into the playoffs with him I foresee yet another very early playoff exit. An elite goalie could make TO a legitimate cup contender, this one is signed for 4 more years at a very good contract for a team that could use the cap space.


If Murray is trash they do have Samsonov, he's struggled a lot in the playoffs but if he gets his confidence back he can perhaps get them past the 1st round at least, and if they go out the in the 1st round it's probably in game 7, and not necessarily his fault. That's why they would probably most likely 1st find a way to get him on LTIR or 2 do what they did with Mrazek, that 2023 1st is going to be much more valued than their 2022 one was. So, there will be more teams interested to help them, especially since Murray only has 1-year left vs the 2 that Mrazek had.

Toronto could also just buy him out.
Nov. 4, 2022 at 10:13 p.m.
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Your out to lunch if you think Miller has negative value. Less teams interested for sure, negative value not a chance.

Lou desperately wanted to add this off-season and was linked to multiple forwards around Millers age. He didn’t make the deadline trade because he wanted to extend Miller. He is now extended at what was the expected rate. Decent chance he would revisit the idea the opportunity arose.


You're out to lunch if you think teams want JTM or his bloated term. He's all yours
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Nov. 4, 2022 at 10:28 p.m.
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Your out to lunch if you think Miller has negative value. Less teams interested for sure, negative value not a chance.

Lou desperately wanted to add this off-season and was linked to multiple forwards around Millers age. He didn’t make the deadline trade because he wanted to extend Miller. He is now extended at what was the expected rate. Decent chance he would revisit the idea the opportunity arose.



Miller does have negative value - they had to move him to wing because he was struggling defensively and not putting up points at even strength.

Lou wanted to extend him on his terms and Lou never re-visits potential trades that were leaked. He wouldn't give Miller 7 years or SB
Nov. 4, 2022 at 10:31 p.m.
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You're out to lunch if you think teams want JTM or his bloated term. He's all yours


People don't understand the minute these late 20's early 30's forwards sign long term extensions they have little to no value. Add to the fact that Miller has regressed already and its even worse. He might get a 3rd rd pick and a prospect, if that.
Nov. 4, 2022 at 10:37 p.m.
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This is rough lol
Nov. 4, 2022 at 11:14 p.m.
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Are you going to address your beyond bad Minnesota trade? Or not? MI wouldn't trade wallstedt like ever much less add a 1st


Your clearly looking for negative engagement, your not going to get it.

The reason I haven’t “addressed” the MIN trade yet is it’s the trade I can understand opposing fans thinking is outrageous. Wallstedt is a stud prospect and I knew the proposal was a long shot to begin with. An extended Horvat is worth a first plus an A prospect, but Wallstedt is in the elite category. I think Horvat would be a great fit in MIN and if I traded Demko I needed to find a replacement, so I thought I would throw this Hail Mary out there and see the reaction.
Nov. 4, 2022 at 11:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Reason
Your clearly looking for negative engagement, your not going to get it.

The reason I haven’t “addressed” the MIN trade yet is it’s the trade I can understand opposing fans thinking is outrageous. Wallstedt is a stud prospect and I knew the proposal was a long shot to begin with. An extended Horvat is worth a first plus an A prospect, but Wallstedt is in the elite category. I think Horvat would be a great fit in MIN and if I traded Demko I needed to find a replacement, so I thought I would throw this Hail Mary out there and see the reaction.


Horvat extended isn't worth a prospect as your still trading him as a rental. Trade doesn't work like that. Minnesota doesn't need Horvat. Under no circumstances are wild trading wallstedt. Well you got the reaction, it's not happening. Minnesota got a b prospect for fiala. Joel Eriksson ek is better than Horvat. Minnesota doesn't pay 1st round picks or prospect Under Guerin and Judd brackett
 
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