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Created by: ragger_lord
Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 7, 2022
Published: Nov. 7, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Tank, buyout OEL in the summer, bite the bullet on Miller, get what you can for expiring players, hope for a top 3 pick and turn the roster over with 20+mil in the summer.
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Newhook, Alex
  2. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Horvat, Bo ($2,250,000 retained)
2.
3.
VAN
  1. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Kuzmenko, Andrei
Additional Details:
Kuz is only traded, to a team he wants to go to IF he wants to be traded. Return doesn't matter, just do whatever keeps him happy to maintain a good relationship with other potential Russian FA's
4.
VAN
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
Buyouts
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$82,500,000$69,503,916$1,250,000$932,500$12,996,084
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
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UFA - 4
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
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$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$908,333$908,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$6,650,000$6,650,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
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UFA - 2
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$883,750$883,750 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C
RFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
RW, C
RFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
G
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 3

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Nov. 7, 2022 at 2:46 p.m.
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You're gunna have to bite the bullet on the fact COL isn't parting with Newhook or their 2023 1st for a rental like Horvat
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 2:47 p.m.
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Everyone declines
Every trade sucks
NJD laugh and never take your phone call again
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 2:50 p.m.
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Nemec is probably not an option for a trade, but we have other pieces
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 2:56 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
You're gunna have to bite the bullet on the fact COL isn't parting with Newhook or their 2023 1st for a rental like Horvat


I think you move the 1st and a prospect and continue on with your happy life, but yeah, not both.
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 3:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Finski
Everyone declines
Every trade sucks
NJD laugh and never take your phone call again


I actually like the idea of Kuz for 2RW. If Gauthier has found his stride then cool for 3RW otherwise bring in AA for the 3rd line. Or even up top and reunite kid line.
Nov. 7, 2022 at 3:07 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Nemec is probably not an option for a trade, but we have other pieces


I know you want a Nemec, but can I interest you in a Nemeth?
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
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Quoting: MeetYourMakar
I know you want a Nemec, but can I interest you in a Nemeth?


So glad our GM doesn’t have a lisp
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 4:21 p.m.
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Quoting: MeetYourMakar
I know you want a Nemec, but can I interest you in a Nemeth?


This guy gets it
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 4:40 p.m.
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Rangers would have no cap space to give Kuz a new contract, so no thanks to a 1st round pick for a rental.
Nov. 7, 2022 at 4:54 p.m.
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By your own account, your team sucks. Why do you think you'll get maximum+ value on all your overrated players?
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 5:43 p.m.
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Rangers fans - I literally said any return - the first was a place holder so dont come @ me with Kuz and worth a first.

Avs fans - Swap Newhook for another prospect if you want, I'm not high on him at all. 1st + prospect is pretty fair value for a rental player of Horvat's Caliber (see Chiarot, Toffoli, Giroux, Foligno, etc trades).

For the Devils. - I thought with how Demko has been playing this year that it would be a tough sell. I think his back is broken from carrying the Canucks but he had a lot of hype last year as a vezina caliber goalie and is on a great contract. Other pieces (1st+) would work.
Nov. 7, 2022 at 5:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Finski
Everyone declines
Every trade sucks
NJD laugh and never take your phone call again


Dont have to be a dick about it
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
You're gunna have to bite the bullet on the fact COL isn't parting with Newhook or their 2023 1st for a rental like Horvat


Maybe not Horvat but why wouldn't want to move your '23 first for a rental to get another shot at the cup? Isn't this your window?
Nov. 7, 2022 at 5:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Android_H_Jones
By your own account, your team sucks. Why do you think you'll get maximum+ value on all your overrated players?


The only questionable return is Demko.

A 1st + prospect is pretty fair value for a rental player like Horvat if you look at the last couple years' deadlines.

Kuzmenko says "RETURN DOESNT MATTER" its all about sending him somewhere he wants to go to maintain a good relationshop.

Schenn for 2 3rds - I mean Hamonic returned a 3rd rounder and he had a way worse contract + no one on the Canucks wanted him.
Nov. 7, 2022 at 5:49 p.m.
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Quoting: MeetYourMakar
I know you want a Nemec, but can I interest you in a Nemeth?


What if I offer you an Elias Pettersson wink
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 6:10 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
So glad our GM doesn’t have a lisp


I'm just waiting until the day our GM trades Elias Pettersson but doesn't tell the other GM which Elias Pettersson he is actually trading him
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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I'm just waiting until the day our GM trades Elias Pettersson but doesn't tell the other GM which Elias Pettersson he is actually trading him


At least with the EPs they play different positions. Or with Sebatians Aho, one can differentiate between the Finn or the Swede.

Both Jack Hughes are American Centers.
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 6:19 p.m.
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At least with the EPs they play different positions. Or with Sebatians Aho, one can differentiate between the Finn or the Swede.

Both Jack Hughes are American Centers.


Temporarily switch Elias Pettersson (D) to center and trade him.
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 6:25 p.m.
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Temporarily switch Elias Pettersson (D) to center and trade him.


I know the MLB draft it has occurred where teams have drafted the wrong player.
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Nov. 7, 2022 at 7:28 p.m.
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Maybe not Horvat but why wouldn't want to move your '23 first for a rental to get another shot at the cup? Isn't this your window?


I would be ok moving the '23 1st for the right rental, Hovart is maybe 5th on my ideal list. There is a 1% chance he can be resigned so I wouldn't give that 1st and a prosepct like JLF or Kaut. Avs window is open now, but it isn't a narrow one. Its not until Mikko needs a new deal that it could close quick. D.Toews will be tricky but I think it will work out.
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Nov. 8, 2022 at 4:28 a.m.
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LOL! The idea that you're gettng Newhook AND the '23 1st! tears of joy
Nov. 8, 2022 at 7:41 a.m.
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Quoting: ragger_lord
Maybe not Horvat but why wouldn't want to move your '23 first for a rental to get another shot at the cup? Isn't this your window?


COL would move that 1st (as part of a larger package) for a top 6F upgrade but would be looking for a piece with more term or contract control (RFA status).

It's not so much they won't move the pick, but moreso the return not being a half season rental (at least not for a 1st rd pick)
Nov. 8, 2022 at 2:11 p.m.
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LOL! The idea that you're gettng Newhook AND the '23 1st! tears of joy


An ok prospect and effectively a second for a sure-fire top 6 C?

Look at the deadline deals from the last couple of years and that's a pretty fair price. Whether you want to pay that is another question but I don't think its laughable.
Nov. 8, 2022 at 2:17 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
COL would move that 1st (as part of a larger package) for a top 6F upgrade but would be looking for a piece with more term or contract control (RFA status).

It's not so much they won't move the pick, but moreso the return not being a half season rental (at least not for a 1st rd pick)


Makes sense. You guys managed to do it for Lehk last year so I don't doubt Sakic/McFarlane are capable of it. I guess it becomes a question of who is available and if your FO are willing to be patient and potentially not make a deal.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 2:39 a.m.
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An ok prospect and effectively a second for a sure-fire top 6 C?

Look at the deadline deals from the last couple of years and that's a pretty fair price. Whether you want to pay that is another question but I don't think its laughable.


It's laughable. Very much so. Newhook is not just an 'ok prospect', and by your own admission your 'sure-fire top 6 C' sucks.
 
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