done

Rather have Blackwell then Giraffe boy...Hawks decline.

If Bunting is worth a first why not just keep him on his extremely team friendly deal and go for Crouse anyways?

Crouse is a top 9 pwf or whatever Nick Ritchie is.

cap, rithcie is slow af and doesnt play the pk. crouse does, ritchie doesnt have a takeaway in 11 games lol.

we wont be getting a first for kerfoot. and i think kerfoot would be easier to extend. also dont want to see TO giving bunting 5m.

Be better off using him as a rental in my opinion. Leafs need to make it past the first round and having Bunting is better than not having Bunting for that.

Crouse is slow too from what I hear, the Leafs won't have Crouse on their PK most likely, but my point was that he's not a top 6 player that's all, and I wouldn't be surprised if he would have the same production that Ritchie had in Toronto, as Ritchie has the same production as him in Arizona ever since he joined.

The only top 6 forward on Arizona is Keller and you can count Guenther too if you want, based off his potential.

Don't worry, they won't give him 5m just like they didn't give it to Hyman. Hyman is older but not by too much, but he really was able to play with any of the superstars and make them better. The same can't be said for Bunting, he only seems to be effective with Matthews and Marner.

his best attribute isnt speed, but he isnt nick ritchie slow, ive watched him for a few years, hes def a top 6 in toronto and an important one. i can see him going off in pts production like sam bennet

imo crouse = a work horse just like hyman who can score and fight if needed. he leads by example and is a sheriff. he would be a huge part of our team

Unfortunately, the Leafs top 6 and PK (for forwards) requires some speed though, otherwise the fit isn't a good one. I'm 100% confident that he wouldn't be effective in the Leafs top 6 unless he got faster (doubt he still has chemistry with Marner). The only realistic hope of the Leafs getting a PWF with term in their line up is probably Knies if he's NHL-ready by the end of the college season.

he doesnt need to play the pk , we have kampf, marner, blackwell, ZAR, jarnkrok who can all play the pk. just give him more 5v5 ice time. tavares manages to be effective in toronto while not being the best skater. crouse can do it too.

People wanted Tavares head last year, and I think Crouse is slower than he was last year. The only hope is that he does well with Marner and Matthews but at 4.3mx5 the risk isn't worth acquiring him for free, let alone for the assets that ARZ would want. Perhaps it's something they can explore in the future, maybe in two years, but too risk at this time.

I call Engvall the TINMAN because he has no heart.

A big-bodied power winger with the ability to physically dominate, making him a prominent forechecking presence every night. Possesses good hands that can be used to make crisp passes or to let loose accurate, NHL-level shots; paired with his strength and skating ability, his skill set allows him to contribute offensively, as well as create space for teammates. hes equal to JT in speed imo, and his fit in TO is a sure thing in my eyes. id bet my kidney on it

He’s not a speed demon, but he’s a good skater with great balance who uses his long strides to cover ground in a hurry. He has a reputation as a fearless hitter and tireless worker; he’s at his best when he’s causing havoc along the boards and creating turnovers with his relentless forechecking, then positioning himself for a quality chance. He has very good stamina for a guy his size; he doesn’t tire out in the middle of a cycle in either zone. He sacrifices his body to make the smart play. sounds like the perfect man to work with matthews and marner

That's the bad kidney talking.

"The way Knies establishes body positioning drives his value in every dimension of the game. He tries to be first on every puck at all costs, getting his leg in front of his opponent’s, then coming across their body with his hips to seal off the defender. Some off-puck awareness makes Knies a bit of a scoring threat, hunting space after passing." -EliteProspects 2021 NHL Draft Guide

Doesn't make much sense to go for a risky, more expensive (in terms of both cap and acquisition cost) solution when they have a cheaper, less risky in-house solution. I just saw that Knies is #89, guess that means Robertson has to go (I hope not but that would be sad if it were to happen).

They are better off going after Meier instead of Crouse if they want to give up assets so bad.

that being said, powerforwards take more time to develop, i think hes just entering his prime years right now. he would have a huge impact on this team and the culture the leafs are trying to build, which is all about forechecking, and puck possession

i dont see a problem in having 2 crouse type of players, if anything having both in our top 6 is amazing and a blessing

The problem is if Crouse doesn't produce and is being paid 4m and the sunken assets to acquire him.

he produces . 5 goals 2 assits in 11 games on a garbage team

4:05 to see his speed

Ritchie in Arizona (over last 2 seasons) is 0.628 (0.408 career), 6G+2A in 11 games this season.
Crouse (over last 2 seasons) is 0.569 (0.327 career)

Ritchie in Toronto 0.273, there is no reason to believe that Crouse won't be just as bad if not worse. It just looks to me he caught a tired Chabot and Norris in that play, but even if Crouse is faster, he can't even out produce him in ARZ.

Crouse is playing more minutes than him and higher up than him in the line up all season so far.
https://themorningpuck.com/line-combinations/arizona-coyotes#2022-10-15

ritchie is going off because he needs a new contract, he doesnt even have a takeaway this year lol, also theres a reason why crouse got extended for 5 years and ritchie is a ufa this summer.