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Team: 2022-23 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 9, 2022
Published: Nov. 9, 2022
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  1. Jokiharju, Henri
  2. Kulich, Jiri
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (BUF)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (PHI)
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One of Bryson or Jokiharju. Potentially Ryan Johnson if they can get a commitment that he’ll sign
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23$82,500,000$59,547,500$0$3,620,000$22,952,500
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C, LW
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C, LW
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, C
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$825,000$825,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
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UFA - 2
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UFA - 2
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NTC
UFA - 8
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G
UFA - 1
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$1,850,000$1,850,000
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RFA - 2
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$687,500$687,500
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:19 a.m.
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Blues decline unless you change the two seconds to firsts
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:22 a.m.
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Quoting: Chopper02
Blues decline unless you change the two seconds to firsts


Seems unrealistic
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:23 a.m.
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Seems unrealistic


1st would be top ten protected.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:26 a.m.
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1st would be top ten protected.


I’m curious what Sabres fans think. I think it’s reasonable Parayko gets this kind of return. We will see if the Blues trade him though. Logical to me if they wanna make a big change because he’s been here a long time and probably would draw a lot of interest.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:26 a.m.
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Blues decline unless you change the two seconds to firsts


Parayko would be lucky to get a 2nd rd pick alone in a trade right now
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.
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Parayko would be lucky to get a 2nd rd pick alone in a trade right now


Marino got the equivalent of a mid to late first and he's a lesser player. He'd get a first especially with term left.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Chopper02
Marino got the equivalent of a mid to late first and he's a lesser player. He'd get a first especially with term left.


Marino isn’t a lesser player, Parayko was elite in his prime but he’s been a mediocre 2nd pair D the past 3 seasons. I know injuries have played a role but he’s turning 30 soon and is on an 8 year deal.

Marino is 25 YO being paid 4.5 mill. It’s different.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:33 a.m.
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Parayko would be lucky to get a 2nd rd pick alone in a trade right now


Wrong
Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:35 a.m.
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Wrong


Buffalo certainly wouldn’t be the team to give up anything of value for Parayko. They have one of the best analytics departments in the NHL and wouldn’t trade for a declining asset signed long term. They wouldn’t claim him if he was put on waivers.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:38 a.m.
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Quoting: Chopper02
Blues decline unless you change the two seconds to firsts


You're already getting kulich and a replacement Rd, the two seconds are more than overpayment on top of that already.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:38 a.m.
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Buffalo certainly wouldn’t be the team to give up anything of value for Parayko. They have one of the best analytics departments in the NHL and wouldn’t trade for a declining asset signed long term. They wouldn’t claim him if he was put on waivers.


Parayko has had quite strong defensive numbers the last 100 games. Worth 5 SPAR last year. Big, skates amazing, somebody will give a nice return.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:41 a.m.
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Marino isn’t a lesser player, Parayko was elite in his prime but he’s been a mediocre 2nd pair D the past 3 seasons. I know injuries have played a role but he’s turning 30 soon and is on an 8 year deal.

Marino is 25 YO being paid 4.5 mill. It’s different.


He is a lesser player and doesn't get tougher competition. Problem is Parayko needs a partner who is reliable and he hasn't had that so he tries to overcompensate
Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:43 a.m.
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You're already getting kulich and a replacement Rd, the two seconds are more than overpayment on top of that already.


While Kulich is a nice piece, Joki has little value at this point.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:44 a.m.
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Parayko has had quite strong defensive numbers the last 100 games. Worth 5 SPAR last year. Big, skates amazing, somebody will give a nice return.


Parayko is solid defensively, the issue is his offensive play driving has fallen off a cliff. I'm sure you know that SPAR isn't the best way to evaluate defenseman, Parayko's on ice S% was clearly unsustainable because STL was one of the best teams at finishing last season.

His xSPAR shows hes a mediocre 2nd pair D and he's not getting any better. Buffalo won't be giving up anything for him, what other teams would trade high end assets for Parayko?

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Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.
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He is a lesser player and doesn't get tougher competition. Problem is Parayko needs a partner who is reliable and he hasn't had that so he tries to overcompensate


Parayko Quality of competition%: 85%

Marino Quality of competition %: 83%

Nearly identical, and marino's quality of teammates were worse. They both play a similar style , the difference is Marino makes 2 mill less and is signed through his prime years.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:50 a.m.
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Parayko is solid defensively, the issue is his offensive play driving has fallen off a cliff. I'm sure you know that SPAR isn't the best way to evaluate defenseman, Parayko's on ice S% was clearly unsustainable because STL was one of the best teams at finishing last season.

His xSPAR shows hes a mediocre 2nd pair D and he's not getting any better. Buffalo won't be giving up anything for him, what other teams would trade high end assets for Parayko?

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Yes I’m quite aware why Parayko’s offense was clearly unsustainable. But… tons of minutes with a really tough carry and in the green is very impressive. You will be quite surprised by the return he nets if traded.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 10:58 a.m.
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Yes I’m quite aware why Parayko’s offense was clearly unsustainable. But… tons of minutes with a really tough carry and in the green is very impressive. You will be quite surprised by the return he nets if traded.


People who defend Ristolainen use ice time. Parayko's quality of teammates is in the 85th percentile, his minutes weren't that tough. He's a #4 defenseman at this point in his career , which team is trading assets for him?
Nov. 9, 2022 at 11:01 a.m.
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Parayko is solid defensively, the issue is his offensive play driving has fallen off a cliff. I'm sure you know that SPAR isn't the best way to evaluate defenseman, Parayko's on ice S% was clearly unsustainable because STL was one of the best teams at finishing last season.

His xSPAR shows hes a mediocre 2nd pair D and he's not getting any better. Buffalo won't be giving up anything for him, what other teams would trade high end assets for Parayko?

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Gimme allllll the charts!!!

That being said, I feel like I'm right in the middle of you and @stlblues17...not saying that Buffalo is the team that would pull the trigger, but I'd imagine there'd be a number of interested suitors who would pay a reasonably significant amount to get him. Remember that we live in a world where GM's give up high end assets for guys like Chiarot/Risto, and also give them significant contracts (Add Guddy, Leddy, etc.) via extensions and/or free agency.

Honestly, I'd love a guy like Parayko on my blueline...I'd probably want to deploy him a bit differently than he has been though.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 11:09 a.m.
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Gimme allllll the charts!!!

That being said, I feel like I'm right in the middle of you and stlblues17...not saying that Buffalo is the team that would pull the trigger, but I'd imagine there'd be a number of interested suitors who would pay a reasonably significant amount to get him. Remember that we live in a world where GM's give up high end assets for guys like Chiarot/Risto, and also give them significant contracts (Add Guddy, Leddy, etc.) via extensions and/or free agency.

Honestly, I'd love a guy like Parayko on my blueline...I'd probably want to deploy him a bit differently than he has been though.


it's the term and AAV that will prevent teams from trading anything of value for him. If he had 1 year left on his deal he would obviously return more. There's not one team who would give up high end assets for a soon to be 30 YO parayko on an 8 year deal.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 11:10 a.m.
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People who defend Ristolainen use ice time. Parayko's quality of teammates is in the 85th percentile, his minutes weren't that tough. He's a #4 defenseman at this point in his career , which team is trading assets for him?


I think 55% of the league would entertain it if they could send cap back to STL. Ottawa is an obvious one. Look, I understand how QOC/QOT works, I understand that he gets a lot of minutes with strong forwards, but I think there’s a bit of merit to assuming he’d be much better in another situation. Marco Scandella is a TOUGH carry. Give him a partner who can do some heavy lifting with the puck and he’s gonna make you very happy.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 11:17 a.m.
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I think 55% of the league would entertain it if they could send cap back to STL. Ottawa is an obvious one. Look, I understand how QOC/QOT works, I understand that he gets a lot of minutes with strong forwards, but I think there’s a bit of merit to assuming he’d be much better in another situation. Marco Scandella is a TOUGH carry. Give him a partner who can do some heavy lifting with the puck and he’s gonna make you very happy.


55% ?? All the moves Ottawa has made last offseason shows they are trying to add players in their prime. I can understood if parayko was 24 or 25 years old , but he's clearly on the decline. The fact that he needs a partner to do some heavy lifting is why I don't think it's fair to assume that he will get a good return. He's not a top pair caliber D and he's not in his prime.

If he had 2 years left at 5 mill per he'd return a 1st, his contract will prevent almost all teams from acquiring him. The blues should be happy just to get out of that contract so they can find a true top pair D in the next 2-3 years and eventually start to be competitive again.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 11:29 a.m.
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it's the term and AAV that will prevent teams from trading anything of value for him. If he had 1 year left on his deal he would obviously return more. There's not one team who would give up high end assets for a soon to be 30 YO parayko on an 8 year deal.


I don't know...if he was a UFA today, there'd be a lineup of teams that would give him that exact same contract. Maybe that means that his surplus value isn't great, but I'd think someone would be coerced into doing something stupid...

That being said, Ryan Ellis got moved with 6 years left on his deal, and netted the Preds f*ck all aside from cap space, so you're probably not entirely wrong. He had a bit worse injury history, but yeah, mediocre return at best.

Edit: We're probably all wasting our time on this anyway, no? Parayko has a full NTC until 2028...
Nov. 9, 2022 at 11:34 a.m.
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I don't know...if he was a UFA today, there'd be a lineup of teams that would give him that exact same contract. Maybe that means that his surplus value isn't great, but I'd think someone would be coerced into doing something stupid...

That being said, Ryan Ellis got moved with 6 years left on his deal, and netted the Preds f*ck all aside from cap space, so you're probably not entirely wrong. He had a bit worse injury history, but yeah, mediocre return at best.

Edit: We're probably all wasting our time on this anyway, no? Parayko has a full NTC until 2028...


As a UFA i think he’d get in between the Chiarot and Lindholm contract, something like 5-5.5 mill x 6. The teams aren’t giving up assets to do so , just cap space. I wouldn’t be surprised if a team gives a mid rd pick for Parayko, but there aren’t many teams that can even do that
Nov. 9, 2022 at 11:36 a.m.
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I think 55% of the league would entertain it if they could send cap back to STL. Ottawa is an obvious one. Look, I understand how QOC/QOT works, I understand that he gets a lot of minutes with strong forwards, but I think there’s a bit of merit to assuming he’d be much better in another situation. Marco Scandella is a TOUGH carry. Give him a partner who can do some heavy lifting with the puck and he’s gonna make you very happy.


Teams that are close or just a piece or two away aren't looking at the last four years of Parayko's deal if they were looking at acquiring him.

I'm sure the Blues would get a pretty solid return if Parayko was put on the market.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 11:37 a.m.
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As a UFA i think he’d get in between the Chiarot and Lindholm contract, something like 5-5.5 mill x 6. The teams aren’t giving up assets to do so , just cap space. I wouldn’t be surprised if a team gives a mid rd pick for Parayko, but there aren’t many teams that can even do that


If I had the choice between Hampus (who I love...great Duck...) and Parayko, I'd be taking Parayko every day of the week.
 
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