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Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 4:56 p.m.
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Buffalo accept
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 4:57 p.m.
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Helll no
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 4:58 p.m.
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Helll no


Why would you be against it? Mittelstadt is bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, plays C, and has the same point production as Garland so far this year. He has also been becoming a fairly responsible two-way player.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Why would you be against it? Mittelstadt is bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, plays C, and has the same point production as Garland so far this year. He has also been becoming a fairly responsible two-way player.

This is unfortunately what the Sabres see in Mittelstadt.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:19 p.m.
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This is unfortunately what the Sabres see in Mittelstadt.


I hope not. We will be picking top 10 for 5 more years if they think he's the answer.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Why would you be against it? Mittelstadt is bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, plays C, and has the same point production as Garland so far this year. He has also been becoming a fairly responsible two-way player.


But Garland is simply better. There is just no question. You know who else is bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, and plays C? Jack Studnicka. Doesn't mean he is better. Also, production 13 games into the season means nothing. Do you think Bo Horvat will finish the season with 75 goals?
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Why would you be against it? Mittelstadt is bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, plays C, and has the same point production as Garland so far this year. He has also been becoming a fairly responsible two-way player.


Faster? LOL
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:28 p.m.
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But Garland is simply better. There is just no question. You know who else is bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, and plays C? Jack Studnicka. Doesn't mean he is better. Also, production 13 games into the season means nothing. Do you think Bo Horvat will finish the season with 75 goals?


No but Casey has also produced at 0.5 ppg over the past two seasons compared to Garland's 0.72ppg over the same time frame. It's not a huge gap and also not an unreasonable expectation that Mittelstadt (a 23yr old former 8th overall pick) has room for growth above the 0.5ppg pace he put up as a 21 and 22 yr old.

Studnicka has been trying to crack an NHL roster up to this point in his career. Mittelstadt has 3 and a half seasons in the NHL already. Those two aren't really comparables.

Not to mention Mittlestadt also kills penalties which is something we are horrendous at and Garland doesn't do.

Is Garland the better player today? yes. Is garland a better fit and better player in 2yrs time? only time will tell but it is certainly within the realm of possibility that Mittelstadt is the better player by then as the gap between them isn't currently that large.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
No but Casey has also produced at 0.5 ppg over the past two seasons compared to Garland's 0.72ppg over the same time frame. It's not a huge gap and also not an unreasonable expectation that Mittelstadt (a 23yr old former 8th overall pick) has room for growth above the 0.5ppg pace he put up as a 21 and 22 yr old.

Studnicka has been trying to crack an NHL roster up to this point in his career. Mittelstadt has 3 and a half seasons in the NHL already and is younger than Studnicka. Those two aren't really comparables.

Not to mention Mittlestadt also kills penalties which is something we are horrendous at and Garland doesn't do.

Is Garland the better player today? yes. Is garland a better fit and better player in 2yrs time? only time will tell but it is certainly within the realm of possibility that Mittelstadt is the better player by then as the gap between them isn't currently that large.


Studnicka was trying to crack the Bruins while Mittelstadt was a high pick for the Sabres. Mittelstadt was gifted a spot in comparison to Studnicka.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.
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Faster? LOL


Yes. Garland is not a fast skater. He is shifty and quick but he isn't fast. Mittelstadt might not be a burner either but he is faster than Garland.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Why would you be against it? Mittelstadt is bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, plays C, and has the same point production as Garland so far this year. He has also been becoming a fairly responsible two-way player.


Jesus. If Casey mittelstadt is bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, and the more responsible two-way player...I'm at a loss here. You should probably keep Garland.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:33 p.m.
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Studnicka was trying to crack the Bruins while Mittelstadt was a high pick for the Sabres. Mittelstadt was gifted a spot in comparison to Studnicka.


Doesn't change the fact that Mittelstadt has almost 4 years of NHL experience under his belt.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:34 p.m.
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Jesus. If Casey mittelstadt is bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, and the more responsible two-way player...I'm at a loss here. You should probably keep Garland.


I mean bigger, cheaper, and younger on objective. Faster and more responsible two way player are subjective. Garland is a fine two-way player but Mittelstadt plays PK so I would value him higher in that regard.

Garland is certainly the harder working of the two.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Doesn't change the fact that Mittelstadt has almost 4 years of NHL experience under his belt.


That's true but it doesn't make much sense not to give Studnicka a chance, especially when the cost to acquire Mittelstadt is relative high. Garland should be used to acquire a more needed piece like a top 4 RD.

Just think of Marchement for Malgin trade. Malgin had 0.32PTS production only but Marchement couldn't crack the Leafs line up either.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:41 p.m.
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Garland's available sign me up

Give u a home grown Kerfoot whose 30 pounds heavier, faster, and a whole inch taller
Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:46 p.m.
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That's true but it doesn't make much sense not to give Studnicka a chance, especially when the cost to acquire Mittelstadt is relative high. Garland should be used to acquire a more needed piece like a top 4 RD.

Just think of Marchement for Malgin trade. Malgin had 0.32PTS production only but Marchement couldn't crack the Leafs line up either.


Garland won't fetch a top4 dman. If he would I'm pretty confident the Canucks would have moved him in the offseason. Garland is a good player but he's not outstanding. He's a middle 6 player that has good 5on5 numbers but doesn't contribute much to special teams.

I would like to have both studnicka and mittelstadt as they're both relatively young can play C and can kill penalties with some offensive upside still in them.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:46 p.m.
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Garland's available sign me up

Give u a home grown Kerfoot whose 30 pounds heavier, faster, and a whole inch taller


I like Kerfoot but no. He's an expiring ufa and he's older. Doesn't fit.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:50 p.m.
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Garland won't fetch a top4 dman. If he would I'm pretty confident the Canucks would have moved him in the offseason. Garland is a good player but he's not outstanding. He's a middle 6 player that has good 5on5 numbers but doesn't contribute much to special teams.

I would like to have both studnicka and mittelstadt as they're both relatively young can play C and can kill penalties with some offensive upside still in them.


Not every top 4 dman is going to cost a ton, and it doesn't have to be a 1 for 1. They probably didn't get anything done because Vancouver probably wanted a high value for him.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.
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Garland's available sign me up

Give u a home grown Kerfoot whose 30 pounds heavier, faster, and a whole inch taller


Should have offered Engvall, big ( 6'5", 214 lbs) fast, and can play PK. Mikheyev worked out well for them so farm and Engvall is Mikheyev 2.0.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.
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Should have offered Engvall, big ( 6'5", 214 lbs) fast, and can play PK. Mikheyev worked out well for them so farm and Engvall is Mikheyev 2.0.


Kerfoot's from Vancouver so the local factor was in play
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.
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Should have offered Engvall, big ( 6'5", 214 lbs) fast, and can play PK. Mikheyev worked out well for them so farm and Engvall is Mikheyev 2.0.


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Kerfoot's from Vancouver so the local factor was in play


Both are expiring UFA's. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Vancouver show interest in both of them this summer though depending on price point.
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Nov. 9, 2022 at 6:16 p.m.
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Not every top 4 dman is going to cost a ton, and it doesn't have to be a 1 for 1. They probably didn't get anything done because Vancouver probably wanted a high value for him.


Maybe. I really don't think Garland holds much value around the league. Winger value plummeted this offseason and Garland is an undersized winger that doesn't see much special teams time. Not saying Garland is bad by any means but I don't think he has a ton of value in trade.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 6:29 p.m.
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Maybe. I really don't think Garland holds much value around the league. Winger value plummeted this offseason and Garland is an undersized winger that doesn't see much special teams time. Not saying Garland is bad by any means but I don't think he has a ton of value in trade.


Perhaps, if there's a team out there looking for 5v5 help though perhaps something can be worked out.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 6:38 p.m.
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Perhaps, if there's a team out there looking for 5v5 help though perhaps something can be worked out.


It's possible but I don't think it's likely unless Canucks are willing to take back a similar contract. Canucks also have a need on the PK, 3C, and cap space which is why I like Mittelstadt as a target. Particularly if Horvat leaves but even with him here I wouldn't mind a more secure 3C so that you can play Miller on Horvat's wing as they have been really good together in the small sample size this year.

Moving Garland for Mittelstadt gets a young 3C with upside that can play PK (not to discredit the flaws in Mittelstadt's game) but it also creates 2.5mil in additional capspace. That additional cap space can go towards acquiring a true top 4D via trade or free agency in the summer.
Nov. 9, 2022 at 6:49 p.m.
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I mean bigger, cheaper, and younger on objective. Faster and more responsible two way player are subjective. Garland is a fine two-way player but Mittelstadt plays PK so I would value him higher in that regard.

Garland is certainly the harder working of the two.


I hope you understand that playing on the PK doesn't mean you are good defensively. Miller is on our PK and he is country miles worse defensively than Garland. If you look up Mittlestadts advanced stats, they are pretty bad. He is way below average defensively whereas Garland is actually above average defensively. Not even close whatsoever. I hate to say it but your takes have been getting very questionable recently
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