Throwing a bunch of garbage together doesn't get you Horvat

You have to give up quality for Horvat, not quantity

Wings might trade Sunny at deadline, but will be looking for 2023 pick not future pick. Yzerman and team like what he brings and could see them resigning him after this year.

All quantity, no quality. What good does a UFA Dumba do for the Canucks?

It’s implied he’s re-signed but it’s still a terrible trade

Minnesota declines the Vancouver deal easy. They aren't taking on cap dump Tyler Myers. Bo isn't worth this, so no.

I can’t see a team with $14M in dead cap wanting to add Tyler Myers to their roster lol

The return here doesn’t move the needle for Vancouver either

Why does Minnesota decline this. The Canucks do.

Your bias is showing

Tyler Myers is a cap dump Canucks would need to pay to dump. Bo horvat is worth a 1st and prospect from a contender

Because Minnesota isn't the place to dump Tyler Myers on. Minnesota isn't giving up dumba and top d prospects and picks for rental in Bo horvat

Vancouver and passes on the Horvat trade, There is no way they're dealing Horvat with an extension for that mess.

Sundqvist will get a 2023 3rd round pick or Yzerman resigns him.

First of all, the Canucks are paying a fifth to take on his contract, not the best but considering this garbage offer by the Wild it will do justice. Your also saying that they are giving up d-prospects for Horvat. Merrill is nowhere close to a d-prospect and is 30 now. Dumba is 28 but, he needs a new contract. So does Horvat but Horvat is wayyy better than Dumba and is projected to hit 96 points. Jost and Steel aren’t worth anything. They are just a bunch of scraps. Canucks decline.

Hate to inform you but that deal has no good prospects or first round picks involved. Easiest Canucks decline they will have to make

Look up who jack peart os. He's a top d prospect who Minnesota wouldn't trade. Dumba would still easily get a 2nd or late 1. Minnesota wouldn't be the one adding on more here.

Tyler Myers take away whatever people will offer for Bo. Flat out

Wrong.

Jack Peart is a B-level prospect with 2nd pairing potential and upside.

Same for Daemon Hunt and Ryan O'Rourke.

Look, I love Horvat. But he's not worth the Lambos, Faber, or Addison's of the world. 2nd-line centers don't get A-level prospects in trades. Especially when he'd be a rental here, as we can't afford to extend him.

He also isn't worth more than $6.5M on a long-term contract. Giving him anything more than that is an extreme overpay.

Oh? You don't know who jack peart is. He was just selected last draft in 2nd round. Dumba is easy worth a 2nd or late 1st. Tyler Myers would cost a 1st to dump, so that neutralizes what someone gives for Horvat

Peart is a b-level d-prospect at best

B-level prospect = good prospect? He is a decent prospect but not enough to get Horvat. No where is the first round pick? You said I am wrong when i said this deal contains no first and top prospect.

Jack Peart is a B-level prospect.

He is not a top prospect.

FULL STOP.

And no Dumba isn't. Not when the front office has tried to move him for the last 2+ years and there haven't been any takers.

The Canucks dont need a pending UFA in Dumba making his value pretty much 0

Did you miss the part where I said he’s not worth a top prospect?

A-level Prospects = Great Prospects/Top Prospects

B-Level Prospects = Good Prospects

One of Peart, Hunt, or O'Rourke plus a 1st and depth player like Jost for Cap purposes is fair for a rental Horvat.

Top Prospects like Lambos, Faber, or Addison are off the table for rental 2nd-line centers.

So's Horvat.

He still has value, but that UFA thing lessening value works both ways, bud!

I don't think you understand. Pending UFA's have value to contender teams. A contender can actually use a rental to chase the cup. The Canucks are not a contender. A pending UFA won't help them.

I understand just fine.

I don't think you do.

What exactly about Minnesota screams *Contender* to you?

So by your very own context. What exactly is Horvat's value to a team, that while he helps as a rental, doesn't push them into contending status?

For what? Simply a chance to get out of the 1st round, maybe?

It's certainly not worth an A-level prospect, a 1st, plus however much more Canucks fans want for a 2nd-line center. That doesn't move the needle all that much or can be kept around after the fact.

It's entirely possible Horvat is someone Guerin is interested in. But he's not overpaying for something Horvat is not. He helps us compete, and *go for it*, nothing more. But he doesn't magically turn us into contenders as well.